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Newsjeff
05-29-2005, 09:49 PM
I just love the North Carolina Barbecue debate. I lived outside of Winston-Salem for about five years. Then I went to college at ECU. After school, I lived on the OBX for about a year until I got a job in Virginia.
I've been to some of the best BBQ restaurants in North Carolina - both in the Western and Eastern parts of the state. I've even been to the Barbecue Festival in Lexington.
There is only one type of N.C. BBQ.
EASTERN.
Give me the vinager and the hot sauce over the tomato paste any day. Throw in some slaw and some hush puppies ... Oh, yeah, baby.
Do you have a favorite BBQ restaurant? I'd love to hear it.
I like both Parker's and B's, both in Greenville.
B's might have it by a hair???
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BC-NC--Barbecue Debate, Bjt,830

Children's civics lesson fires up age-old debate over N.C. 'cue

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By MARTHA WAGGONER
Associated Press Writer

ARCADIA, N.C. (AP) -- Fourth-graders in this west-central North Carolina town had expected to get a civics lesson when they suggested to lawmakers that the Lexington Barbecue Festival be named the state's official food festival.

Instead, they got a lesson in the fierce intrastate rivalry over barbecue that pits west vs. east, tomato vs. vinegar and whole shoulder against whole pig.

"I didn't know so many people would be asking questions and wanting to know how I feel about it," said 10-year-old Kaylyn Vaughan. "You have to realize it is a very big deal."

And a mistake, said Bob Garner, author of the book "North Carolina Barbecue," which doesn't take a stand on which version of barbecue is supreme.

"The whole story of barbecue in North Carolina is about these two distinct styles and this fun, family argument that we just refuse to get rid of," Garner said. "People love to argue about this. ... You've got this east vs. Piedmont kind of deal and to try to set up one as the official thing just flies in the face of that."

While Texas generally unites behind beef brisket, Kansas City has its slathered ribs and South Carolina holds dear to its mustard-sauced pork, North Carolinians are content to argue among themselves about their two distinct barbecue styles.

Western, also known as Lexington or Piedmont, is made from the shoulder of the hog and has a red, tomato-based sauce. Eastern style takes seriously an old North Carolina adage -- "We use every part of the pig except the squeal" -- and uses a vinegar-based sauce.

The argument about which is best has waged forever, although Garner said eastern-style came first. The state's tourism division even conducted an online poll in 2002. Thousands of votes were cast, with eastern winning by a snout, although the head of the Lexington visitors bureau demanded a recount.

The pupils of Friedberg Elementary School fired up the fight innocently enough in February when they decided to undertake a civics project. They could have studied the state tree, the state bird or the state fish. They chose food.

They wrote letters to lawmakers asking that the one-day Lexington event, one of Travel & Leisure magazine's Top 10 food festivals, be named the "state food festival."

But when the bills were filed, they mistakenly called for Lexington's event to become the "state barbecue festival."

The damage was done.

"Remind lawmakers that while our humble pig may not get the publicity Lexington gathers from the lying Yankee press, we still put on a pretty good show," columnist Dennis Rogers, a protector of eastern-style, wrote in The News & Observer of Raleigh.

The High Point Enterprise defended the western style, calling it barbecue from "a lean, filet of pork shoulder in Lexington, not all of Old McDonald's pig."

From there, the students' lesson became one of politics. A House committee recommended the festival receive the state designation last month, but the bill ended up in another committee. In the Senate, the bill has been stuck in committee since it was filed.

"I don't really expect that the bill will be heard," said one of its sponsors, Sen. Stan Bingham, a Republican from the Lexington style's home turf of Davidson County.

Bingham denies the bill was meant to say Lexington-style barbecue tastes better than eastern style. "It's just indicating that 150,000 people come to Lexington for the festival," he said, somewhat unconvincingly.

That's what the Friedberg children say as well. And they manage to say it without an arched eyebrow in the bunch.

"I wish we could all get along," said 10-year-old James Lumley.

Then he gets down and dirty.

"I know that we all think western is better than eastern," he said, pointing around the table at three friends, "and I think western is better."

Garner gives the nod to western-style barbecue on two counts: its aficionados have done a better job of sticking to pit-cooked barbecue than their eastern counterparts, who have no comparable barbecue festival, although Newport in coastal Carteret County does put on an event each year.

But Garner believes it is heresy to pass a bill that essentially gives western-style the imprimatur of being the best.

"I just think it would be a shame to set up either eastern or Lexington as the official thing when it's all about the friendly debate."

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On the Net:

Lexington festival: http://www.barbecuefestival.com

Friedberg Elementary School: http://www.davidson.k12.nc.us/friedberg

Bob Garner's books: http://www.blairpub.com

North Carolina Legislature: http://www.ncga.state.nc.us

End ADV for May 28-29

(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

APTV-05-29-05 0943EDT

Cdog
05-29-2005, 10:39 PM
Jeff, may not be NC BBQ but I gotta get ya up here and ck out Pierces by me. Great BBQ.

Newsjeff
05-29-2005, 10:55 PM
I just knew someone would say Pierces. In fact, I almost wrote "Don't Say Pierces" in my original post. :D
Actually, it's pretty good - for Western Style. My parents swear by it. And they always bring me back some whenever they do the outlet thing. The shop is a regional favorite, and the food is pretty darn good. To be honest, I like the BBQ chicken of theirs better then their pork BBQ.
We'll have to hit some of them OBX pits next week, Clay. ;) Maybe Pigman's or Bubba's.
Or both.

Darkness
05-29-2005, 10:57 PM
Bubba's sucks anus. Don't waste your taste buds.

More good Eastern Style spots:
-Martelle's, Engelhard
-Bum's, Ayden
-Bill Ellis, Wilson
-King's, Kinston

Newsjeff
05-29-2005, 11:12 PM
Bubba's sucks anus. Don't waste your taste buds.

It's been years since I ate there. Someone did tell me it changed hands and it wasn't worth a chit nowadays??
Has anyone tried Rick and Tina Sauls in Currituck?

Shooter
05-29-2005, 11:33 PM
Sorry for not being right on the mark but aint nutten better than when ya stay up all night long burning the hard wood and stoken the hot coals so that pork is slow cooked, joken with good friends and learning from the old fellers on some of the cookn secrets then being able to eat some *of course ya have to taste test it along the way* but I guess the old days are long gone.

Cdog
05-30-2005, 12:17 AM
We'll have to hit some of them OBX pits next week, Clay. ;) Maybe Pigman's or Bubba's.
Or both.
Never eaten BBQ on th OBX but from the reports I have gotten I never will! :rolleyes:

Dixie719
05-30-2005, 08:29 AM
Vinegar based is the only way to go!

Lexingtonn BBQ = UMMM Good!

Darkness
05-30-2005, 10:51 AM
Dixie, you just talked out of both sides of your mouth on that one...

Eastern Style is vinegar. Lexington is that red ketchup slop.

Digger
05-30-2005, 12:38 PM
Ok now I spent 5 years of my youth in Goldsboro NC and I ate at Wilbur's BBQ alot. I have also traveled to Memphis, ST Louis, Kansas City and Chicago and eaten BBQ in all of them. I also had a neighbor from Oklahoma City(they have there own style) who cooked their's for me after we showed the what BBQ was. I have a Uncle who lives in Southampton CO. I can handle red sauces and vinager sauces, whole hog and shoulder. Pierce's is acceptable BBQ but it does not set me off. Wilburs in NC is probably my standard for Commercial. But for homemade with out exposing true family secrets. Go to Food Lion and buy Scott's BBQ Sauce(it's from Goldsboro). Grab a couple of picnic's ham's(IE Shoulder's) fire up a kettle grill with coal baskets filled and spread apart and toss the Picnic's in the middle over a pan of water. Cook slowly about 185' -210' air temp for a day(you figure that out) with hard wood chips that have been soaked(how much and what kind depends on the taste you like) in water. When it is done you can just pull it apart and off the bone(hence the name "pulled pork", this is the good stuff) . Now sometimes I dry rub it and sometimes I wet it with a tomato base sauce before cooking(if you want to try it basic Kraft BBQ sauce will work), this depends on my mood but at some point I add alot of moisture (Tomatoes work for this, they are cooked down). So basically and wet soak in a tomato based sauce with indirect low heat(slowing crisping) followed by pulling the pork off the shoulder, ham or whole pig, then chopping it fine to mix the outer layer with the inner layers. Then mix in the the Scotty's Sauce. I hope I explained myself well enough. Oh by the way there a couple of places that have impressed my uncle on the OBX. If you want a killer question ask them if it is pulled, Chopped or pulled before chopping. Trust me Pulled is the answer you want.

bluerunner
05-30-2005, 01:37 PM
if you're ever in southern pines check out John's Barbeucue and Seafood, its great. My great uncle owns it, and they use a vinegar sauce to cook it but put a nice and spicy red sauce that is not tomato tasting at all on the table. All they cook is hams and they're cooked right in the back.

Dixie719
05-30-2005, 02:46 PM
Dixie, you just talked out of both sides of your mouth on that one...

Eastern Style is vinegar. Lexington is that red ketchup slop.

Darkness,

You know what..Your right! For some reason I always and I mean always think it is vinegar based there. That is about the only tomato based BBQ I do enjoy. I on the other hand make mine homemade with vinegar base!

To top it off thier BBQ Slaw is to drool for also.

There is a place in Shelby, NC taht has some good Q also, but I don't recall the name. It ius right off 74 as soon as you get into Shelby!

Dixie719
05-30-2005, 02:49 PM
But for homemade with out exposing true family secrets. Go to Food Lion and buy Scott's BBQ Sauce(it's from Goldsboro). Grab a couple of picnic's ham's(IE Shoulder's) fire up a kettle grill with coal baskets filled and spread apart and toss the Picnic's in the middle over a pan of water.

Digger,

Sounds like we have a common cooking method for some "Q"! That stuff is almost perfect for cooking some Q with! Stuff is hard to find sometimes, and I believe I have only seen it at Food Lion around here.

johnnyleo11
05-30-2005, 04:24 PM
C'mon down to South Carolina where the BBQ is MUSTARD based.

Girlfriend had a hard time eating it expecting a tomato based sauce. It's a shame I had to eat the rest of her plate after I finished mine.

Bessinger's of West Ashley in Charleston, SC.

I don't know if any of you have had the chance to eat Korean BBQ, but that by far is my favorite. Kal-bee or kal bi or gal bee... (Korean Beef Short Ribs) is by far the best tasting beef ribs in the world. If any of you have a chance to try it, please do and you won't be disappointed. Guaranteed you'll have a new favorite beef bbq rib. I always have a foodgasm.

I'll dig up my recipe and post it in the recipes forum.

Dixie719
05-30-2005, 07:01 PM
C'mon down to South Carolina where the BBQ is MUSTARD based.



Eaten at Maurice's plenty of times..that's good too! Always picked up some of that sauce!

Come to think of it I like just about all kinds of "Q"!

kinnakeettom
05-30-2005, 08:26 PM
A well kept secret is high cotton in kitty hawk on the beach road below the pier, Will cooks rocky mount style and his prices are reasonable.
Bubba's not to my worst enemy's dog.
Surprised that no one has mentioned Parkers in Greenville, good and with corn sticks even better.

Darkness
05-30-2005, 10:27 PM
Parker's appears in the first post.

Damned good brunswick stew and boiled taters there, too. The fried shrimp is right nice as well.

RuddeDogg
05-30-2005, 11:26 PM
I have had the pleasure of having some of the best BBQ this country can offer, Chicago, Kansas City, Nashville, New Oreleans, etc. And I have found one thing to be true....IT"S ALL GOOD!!!! :D A while back I posted a recipe for BBQ sauce. The ingredients are a combination of different sauces that I have had. Though I have had any North Carolina or South Carolina BBQ, but I am sure that it is as good as the others that I have mentioned. :cool:

Wilber
05-31-2005, 09:28 AM
They should not just name the stuff BBQ. So many different styles grouped under one name. I like a bunch of different styles. Pierce's is good for what it is, Bob Melton's in Rocky Mount is bangin', but for my money Parkers in Wilson NC has the best all around "BBQ".

chest2head&glassy
07-13-2005, 10:53 PM
Just discovered a BBQ place by the house in Chesapeake. It's called Wood Chicks BBQ. Yes, it's owned by chicks. For those that watch the Food Network and the Bobby Flay BBQ Show, they were just featured on his show at one of the national BBQ contests.
I had some the other day - and it gets a two thumbs up. It's a NC style BBQ. I had the dry ribs and wifey had the wet style. Mmmm, both were excellent. My bro had the pulled pork and not only was the portion huge but it was delicious. They serve sweet potatoe chips that are out of this world.
Wood Chicks BBQ is in Great Bridge area of Chesapeake by the Dominion Blvd and Cedar Rd intersection.

AL_N_VB
07-14-2005, 12:04 AM
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I don't know if any of you have had the chance to eat Korean BBQ, but that by far is my favorite. Kal-bee or kal bi or gal bee... (Korean Beef Short Ribs) is by far the best tasting beef ribs in the world. If any of you have a chance to try it, please do and you won't be disappointed. Guaranteed you'll have a new favorite beef bbq rib. I always have a foodgasm.




Teo....ain't that what ya brought @ KDH part deux..........I Know my Korean Neighbor has fed it ta me....but that Korean fishin dude...NTKG...ain't brought none over ta grill....

CrawFish
07-14-2005, 10:36 AM
Teo....ain't that what ya brought @ KDH part deux..........I Know my Korean Neighbor has fed it ta me....but that Korean fishin dude...NTKG...ain't brought none over ta grill....
Cuz he aint been home to get the meat.... looklike someone's short of the inheritance. :rolleyes: :)

And the Kal-Bee that I brought was something like this recipe (http://www.pierandsurf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17627)

johnnyleo11
07-14-2005, 05:28 PM
I have a FOODGASM every time I get to eat Kal Bee with a heaping bowl of rice. And by the way, the only type of rice that is true rice is the sticky stuff.

I need to go back home and have mom marinate some ribs.

RuddeDogg
07-15-2005, 09:35 AM
I forgot about the international BBQ. My bad, Korean and Thai are great also. :D

raxarsr
07-16-2005, 03:31 AM
heres my dads recipie....cant give exact amounts,,,,,,,we never measured anything.......just add and taste.......its kind of a combo of both kinds
melt a stick of butter in a pan......add about 1 1/2............2 cups of ketchup........3 big squirts of mustard........about 5 shakes of worchestershire.....2 tablespoons of brown sugar.......a good splash or 2 of vinegar............about 8 or 10 shakes of texas pete hot sauce..........mix well and taste....it should have a heck of a tang....adjust the brown sugar and vinegar till it suits you.....then add a shot or 2 of bourbon...............mix well......only thing its not delicious on is ice cream and pie

emanuel
07-18-2005, 06:08 PM
Jeff, may not be NC BBQ but I gotta get ya up here and ck out Pierces by me. Great BBQ.

One of the things I miss the most about VA is Pierce's. Everytime I went down to fish at VA Beach, I'd always stop to eat there.

sprtsracer
07-19-2005, 01:29 AM
The recipe section, but I couldn't resist. It's ALL good, some's just gooder than others :D

Eastern North Carolina-Style Barbecue Sauce
Makes 2 cups

1 cup distilled white vinegar
1 cup cider vinegar
1 tablespoon sugar
1 tablespoon crushed red pepper flakes
1 tablespoon hot red pepper flakes
Salt and ground pepper to taste

Mix all ingredients, including salt and pepper, to taste, in medium bowl.


Mid-South Carolina Mustard Sauce
Makes 2-1/2 cups
The pulled pork tossed in this mustard sauce was the hands-down favorite at a recent party. Though we prefer the flavor of Dijon mustard in this sauce, feel free to substitute other mustards to suit your taste.

1 cup cider vinegar
6 tablespoons Dijon mustard
2 tablespoons maple syrup or honey
4 teaspoons Worcestershire sauce
1 teaspoon hot red pepper sauce
1 cup vegetable oil
2 teaspoon salt
Ground black pepper


Mix all ingredients, including pepper to taste, in medium bowl.


Western South Carolina-Style Barbecue Sauce
Makes 2 cups originally at Mama Rosa's, a long-time barbecue pit restaurant in North Philadelphia, this recipe is adapted from Jim Tarantino's outstanding book "Marinades" (Crossing Press, 1992).

1 tablespoon vegetable oil
1/2 medium onion, minced
2 medium garlic cloves, minced
1/2 cup cider vinegar
1/2 cup Worcestershire sauce
1 tablespoon dry mustard
1 tablespoon dark brown sugar
1 tablespoon paprika
1 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon cayenne pepper
1 cup ketchup


Heat oil in 2-quart saucepan over medium heat. Add onion and garlic; saute until softened, 4-5 minutes. Stir in all the remaining ingredients except ketchup; bring to a boil. Reduce heat to low, then add ketchup. Cook, stirring occasionally, until thickened, about 15 minutes.