just so you no

[clinder]

I dont no jack about surf fishin,pier fishin, stream fishin, jigger fishin,bass fishin, pan fishin,fly fishin,troll fishin,bottom fishin,bait fishin, big game fishin, or any other kind of fishin but my fishin. and in my fishin to me its the best fishin.one good pole one good real one good bait and one good hook is all i need. people used to catch fish with hooks made out of bones. so all technology aside all these differeny knots, and lines ,and rods and rigs and baits and leaders and blah blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they all work!!!! shock leader no shock leader braided line monofiliment line 8oz 6oz number 3 number 9 blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!! its all a matter of how you use them. if a tourist thats never caught a fish in the ocean before can go out and catch a 40 inch redfish on squid a number one hook and 10pound test(and it has happened) then anything works at any given time. all of us "PROS" though like to call it luck.cause most of us couldnt admit that a novice outfished us with inferier gear and knots and line and blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anybody wanna come catch some fish my way come to tybee island and I guarantee If you dont catch something I will and im sure if i came to your neck of the woods you would do the same. happy fishin to everyone and wat u catch?????????

[bluerunner]

are you drunk tonight or something? cause the majority of your posts tonight are incomprehensible.

[Cdog]

are you drunk tonight or something? cause the majority of your posts tonight are incomprehensible.

I understood blah blah blah... :D

[johnnyleo11]

Nah, he just spends a lot of time out in the sun on the pier at Tybee. Go check out the SC/GA forum and you'll see that he posts about fishing in Tybee almost every single day. And it's still hot as bawls down here.

[clinder]

thanks leo. Im sun sick.It is hot as balls daown here.gonna go out fishin this afternoon and wont be back till tommorow night gonna fish fish fish till i drop go home get some sleep and fish somemore.bee on the with ma heaver, be on the side for trout and sheepies and might just climb under the pier and hang from the bottom of it like a bat. wanna come out and see my fish stop by tommorow about 12 i should still be standing and ill have fish!!takin cut bait,live shrimp, and sheepie bait,stop by and wet a line!!!

[RuddeDogg]

But he's got a point.

[Drumdum]

I dont no jack about surf fishin,pier fishin, stream fishin, jigger fishin,bass fishin, pan fishin,fly fishin,troll fishin,bottom fishin,bait fishin, big game fishin, or any other kind of fishin but my fishin. and in my fishin to me its the best fishin.one good pole one good real one good bait and one good hook is all i need. people used to catch fish with hooks made out of bones. so all technology aside all these differeny knots, and lines ,and rods and rigs and baits and leaders and blah blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they all work!!!! shock leader no shock leader braided line monofiliment line 8oz 6oz number 3 number 9 blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!! its all a matter of how you use them. if a tourist thats never caught a fish in the ocean before can go out and catch a 40 inch redfish on squid a number one hook and 10pound test(and it has happened) then anything works at any given time. all of us "PROS" though like to call it luck.cause most of us couldnt admit that a novice outfished us with inferier gear and knots and line and blah blah blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anybody wanna come catch some fish my way come to tybee island and I guarantee If you dont catch something I will and im sure if i came to your neck of the woods you would do the same. happy fishin to everyone and wat u catch?????????


Rudde Dogg:But he's got a point.

Yes,he's got a point,up to a point.. :D

Yeap,I've seen tourist and newbees do just EXACTLY what he said,and more.. It does happen quite often.. But I have also seen these same folks break them off,straighten thier hooks,equipment fail (reel lock up or rod break) much more often..

When I first started fishin,it was for kings on the planks.. I'll step up to the plate and tellya,used some of the sorryest gear,and lost quite a few nice fish my first yr,from kings to tarpon.. After that I started listening and learning about knots gear and such,things turned around a little for me..

clynder is right about the tackle,cause I'm sure he's using stuff that will work and has worked for him.. Me I like usin stuff that's "Cannonball Proof",as I have been known to break one. :rolleyes: In other words I have been prone to abuse my stuff,and need my knots,leader,and all my gear to be bulletproof.. :D

All this bein said,and as he has said you can catch fish on most any kind of tackle,within reason.. This is the way I see it,clynder: Just from your post I gather you got a little age on ya,just like myself? :rolleyes: :D
That bein the case there is no doubt you have heard the story about the "Ole Bull and the Young Bull"?? ;) Me,I'm more of an ole bull type a guy,instead of runnin down to the surf,catchin ONE FISH with "luck and fate" on my side,I prefer to go down there well equipt to catch as many as I can hook up with.. ;) :D

You see,to me drummies are like peanuts and taterchips,"betyacan'teatjustone",and I'm sure you feel the same... ;) :cool:

[RuddeDogg]

Here in the arm pit of the world we do have some pretty nice fishin holes..... ;) The one I go to I usually take three rods. The last ime I went I took the ball and chain and a buddy of mine who goew fishin at the Acme. They asked why I had three rods I said I'll show ya. We were fishin for weakies. Caught a few and just as soon as they showed they disappeared.I grabbed my striper set up and caught a few and the the blues showed up so I grabbed my blue set up. My buddy understood why I had the three but....it was a little difficult tryin to explain to the other half. She had her 7ft ugly stick with an Okuma Corranado on it and said "why can't I just use this? I said ya can but I prefer to have a just a little fun when I fish.

[clinder]

I hear ya fellows. Yeah got a little age but me an age dont talk to much anymore if you no what i mean. stop by the sc/ga board and take a look at my tybee island post every now an then Im sure youll start sein some bulls in my post before long and one thing about tybee is the reds are" big" nearly every one caught during the fall is over 40inches and ive seen 55inchers and heard of larger ones.id say the average fall red is probally in the neighborhood of 46in. also seen a 75 plus pound black drum caught and released last year. very few less than 40.in fact ive only caught one in the last 3 years under 40 and that was this spring but i caught two that evening just before sunset and the other was well over 40. my drum rig is simple and as follows. one 80 pound black swivel one 36 inch piece of 80 pound malin wire twisted directly to the swivel(no crimped barrel sleeves) and at the other end a number 8 owner circle hook directly to the malin. connect this to 85 pound braid with a sinker slide above and pick your lead.. biggest ive got was a 54 1/2 inch bull caught two years ago at tybee island georgia. its why i fish here for em cause the total number of them might not compare to other places but the average size and weight is much larger than most places. you hook one here its big!!!!!!!!!!!!! I grew up on a 2500 acre wildlife refuge in charleston s.c. i had the ashlie river 10 feet behind my house were i fished for redfish nearly everyday of my life as i was the only kid there and there was nothin else to do.. I even caught and tagged some back then as small pups that i recaught later in the years in the same spot i caught em the first time. that was back when they werent regulated as much. i remember when you could keep all the bulls you wanted then they changed it to one per person then none. used to fish the mouth of the charleston harbor by boat and catch bulls all day long back then sometimes upwrds of 25 -30 in one day during the right season. anyway been fishin for reds for nearly 30 years now and have deffinatly caught my share of them probally more than most serious drum fisherman ever will due to my unique living circumstances..ive caught em on shrimp, squid, cut bait, live bait,including mullet, mud minnows,manhaden,shad,pinfish, croaker, spots ,whiting, bluefish, shrimp, hell ive caught em on baby catfish (1-4inches) after clippin the fins off em cause mud minnows or mullet or fresh shrimp were scarce in the off season when i was young.. flies, top water plugs, divin plugs, suspendig baits, sinkin baits, grubs, even fresh water baits.Ive caught pup reds in the river on pondworms. only time in my life i havent caught drum was three years i lived in south georgia and bass fished on the stratus/javilin pro bass tour.but i couldnt take it bass are just to darn easy to catch and ive fished some big lakes seminole, euffalla, lake mead, lake ammonia, and many others. i used to fish for reds year round but ive taken a liken to sheepshead in the last few years and have gotton pretty darn good with em. I leave my redfishin strickly for the true bigboys of fall and early spring now. anyway ive got more experience fishin for reds than anybody i no. ive been through the leader thing, the best knot thing, the best line thing, the best spot thing,the best tide thing and all that stuff. Like i said in other threads all i need is a good pole, a good reel,some good line,a good hook,some lead,and a piece of bait then you can pardon the southern 'TWANG' in my line cause this fish is just to dam big!

[Drumdum]

Like i said in other threads all i need is a good pole, a good reel,some good line,a good hook,some lead,and a piece of bait

Biggest I've caught is 54" also. Been fishin for the critters since 75,so I guess that makes it thirty yrs.. Sounds like we think the same about the "peanuts and tater chips" anyway,just one ain't gonna cut it.. I like my stuff,as said before "bulletproof"

one 80 pound black swivel one 36 inch piece of 80 pound malin wire twisted directly to the swivel(no crimped barrel sleeves) and at the other end a number 8 owner circle hook directly to the malin. connect this to 85 pound braid with a sinker slide above and pick your lead..

I'd say that tackle is bulletproof... :D Could probably pull a Cabara Snapper off'n a wreck with that... :D

[clinder]

Yep. i use a 8 foot shimano Talus rod with a calcutta 700te reel.it basicaly a king set up for trollin holds 325 yards of 85 pound test power pro wound very tight. its an expensive set up about 650.oo(600.00rodandreel 50.00 line.) with a spool of line but it cast like a dream and it ill drag a 200 pound ray in with no promblem. probally a little overkill but when i hook somethin i dont have to worry about wich way hes goin if i need to take control i can. also nobody else gotta worry about wich way hes goin neither and i dont need to worry about grabbin my line or leader to control him in the surf or help or bein in anybodys way.. I can get a good 200-300 foot cast with it depending on the wind. took alot of practice i might add also.ive had the the tip of the rod bent down BELOW the but end pullin 3-4 foot sharks up off the end of the pier witthout anything breakin. works great for drum or anything else thats out there.

[Sandcrab]

Took two gusy trout fishing when I was young. I used to live and breathe the stuff - ultra light rods, reels, and line (2 lb test or nothing!) Catskill Mountains in upstate NY. So I take a guy fishing after he buys a cheap Zebco reel (I've owned my share of 202's and 404's) and cheap 8 lb mono. His first cast landed across the stream on the other side....he yanks it and it plops into the stream...you know it - BAM! 20" brown trout...

Sandcrab

[clinder]

Fishing---; The act of creating luck for yourself in as much as that skill becomes the craft of creating better luck.

[master baiter]

" couldnt take it bass are just to darn easy to catch and ive fished some big lakes "
A post by Clinder


I wish I felt like that... Heck, my Dad and I have been avid bass fishermen for almost 50 years... been there done that if you know what I mean...
In my opinion bass fishing has gotten harder and harder over the years...

[sprtsracer]

" couldnt take it bass are just to darn easy to catch and ive fished some big lakes "
A post by Clinder


I wish I felt like that... Heck, my Dad and I have been avid bass fishermen for almost 50 years... been there done that if you know what I mean...
In my opinion bass fishing has gotten harder and harder over the years...

I agree...but the thing with saltwater fishing is that there is always a CHANCE that you will catch something as big as or bigger than you, and/or something that would eat you if it had the chance!!! The worst that could happen is that you catch something that YOU can eat!!! :D :D :D

[clinder]

:D i guess some people just have better luck than others. :D when it comes to bass fishin the reason i say their easy to catch is cus they dont move a bass spends most of his life within a 500 foot radius of his favorite piece of structure I.E a stump, a log, a pach of grass ect................ to easy to find, therefore two easy to catch. and yes its easier to catch a fish in the ocean if you just fish for whatever bites but go and try to target certain species at a pier or beach it takes considerably more skill to go pier/surf fishing and catch trout when you want trout,reds when you want reds,sheepshead when you want sheepshead, bluefish when you want bluefish, spots when you want spots, spanish when you want spanish and so on than it is to catch bass when you want bass.......its easy to just go out chunk a fish head out or a dead shrimp and just catch whatever bites anyone could do that. but thats no fun to me anymore i gotta have strategy and and target a species>

[master baiter]

You have a point clinder, except for when you say"but go and try to target certain species at a pier or beach it takes considerably more skill to go pier/surf fishing and catch trout when you want trout,reds when you want reds,sheepshead when you want sheepshead, bluefish when you want bluefish, spots when you want spots, spanish when you want spanish and so on "...I usually target BIG RED but with all the gear I have accumulated over the years I am not about to just let any run of any kind of fish pass me by just because I am targeting one species... :) I only get to go 1 week out of the year... :( Heck, my best spanish day was when I was targeting reds, my best falsie day was when I was targeting reds, my best bluefish day was when I was targeting reds, etc.etc.etc.... :)

[Drumdum]

:D i guess some people just have better luck than others. :D when it comes to bass fishin the reason i say their easy to catch is cus they dont move a bass spends most of his life within a 500 foot radius of his favorite piece of structure I.E a stump, a log, a pach of grass ect................ to easy to find, therefore two easy to catch. and yes its easier to catch a fish in the ocean if you just fish for whatever bites but go and try to target certain species at a pier or beach it takes considerably more skill to go pier/surf fishing and catch trout when you want trout,reds when you want reds,sheepshead when you want sheepshead, bluefish when you want bluefish, spots when you want spots, spanish when you want spanish and so on than it is to catch bass when you want bass.......its easy to just go out chunk a fish head out or a dead shrimp and just catch whatever bites anyone could do that. but thats no fun to me anymore i gotta have strategy and and target a species>

Been targetin reds for 30yrs now,just as you have.. One thing is for sure though,I ain't gonna shun no cobe or tarpon if'n he wants to grab my hook.. ;)

[rattler]

every time i fish(with few exceptions)i fish for flatties...but i always take an extra rod or 3 for spot,blues ,etc...i love to fish, but i also like to catch... :D

[chris storrs]

waited 4 years of pin riggin b4 i got my first king this year on rodanthe,and still waitin on a keeper cobia.but every time i go bass fishin or pike/carp etc i catch one.to me it aint fun anymore when i know that cobia out in the ocean has my name all over it.and all fish i catch under 3 lbs have become "bait".also i noticed that when i was younger and spot fishing/croaker fishing the guys cobia fishin cought way more.now when im on the end and ive caught say 30 spot .10 croaker,and two blues and the kid next to me aint cought a thing.what is it that makes baitfish go on the hooks that belong to the guys king rigging?im not complaining but its wierd.not like theres too much skill to using a bottom rig

[clinder]

i pier and surf fish 3-5 days a week every week. ive gotton prety good at targeting certain species. guess i just no my pier and beach all to well probally better than most anybody here.

[Drumdum]

i pier and surf fish 3-5 days a week every week. ive gotton prety good at targeting certain species. guess i just no my pier and beach all to well probally better than most anybody here.

You know,I can hold my own with most.. BUT,one thing I'll never say is I know my beach or pier or boat better than most,because it just ain't true.. There are times,when I'm "in the fish" and others ain't,but more times than not there are others doing more.. Got one freind down here that set a goal one yr of catching over 1,000 drum in one yr.. Yes,he boat fishes,but he's probably the best drum fisherman I know bar none,and yes he made that goal..

There are so many anglers down here that could take me to school,it ain't even worth mentioning.. So to be honest,I'm a fair fisherman and have caught more drum than most,but to say I know my beaches and piers better than most would be just flat out lieing to myself..

If you know your beaches and piers better than most,then we have a lot to learn from ya,Clinder.. ;)

[Shooter]

i pier and surf fish 3-5 days a week every week. ive gotton prety good at targeting certain species. guess i just no my pier and beach all to well probally better than most anybody here.
My, my someone thinks mightly highly of themselves or thier meds got mixed up :rolleyes: . Me I admit I don't know nutten, but do love feeshn and Kenny still want to get some pier splinters with ya,,, been way to long since I been splinter pickn. :D

[clinder]

nope dont think to highly of my self. but i do no my pier. but dont no jack about anyother piers probally couldnt catch a cup salt water off em. but tybee pier i no all to well and my wife thinks the same thing!!!! :p

[shaggy]

Yep. i use a 8 foot shimano Talus rod with a calcutta 700te reel.it basicaly a king set up for trollin holds 325 yards of 85 pound test power pro wound very tight. its an expensive set up about 650.oo(600.00rodandreel 50.00 line.) with a spool of line but it cast like a dream and it ill drag a 200 pound ray in with no promblem. probally a little overkill but when i hook somethin i dont have to worry about wich way hes goin if i need to take control i can. also nobody else gotta worry about wich way hes goin neither and i dont need to worry about grabbin my line or leader to control him in the surf or help or bein in anybodys way.. I can get a good 200-300 foot cast with it depending on the wind. took alot of practice i might add also.ive had the the tip of the rod bent down BELOW the but end pullin 3-4 foot sharks up off the end of the pier witthout anything breakin. works great for drum or anything else thats out there.

Well now, iffin' you all that and some, and yes overkill (to use your words), use your knowledge, learn some technique, and ease up on the overkill. Half the challenge for me is finding the fish, the other half is bringin' 'em in on sometimes less than a horse 'em in and up setup, and having to play the fish in order to enjoy the spoils of victory.

Just my two cents.

Have Jeep will travel :D

[RuddeDogg]

As I have said before, ain't no such thing as an expert. As much as I fish the piers and jetties here in Yankee land and have been fishing them for quite a while ya just never know what you're gonna catch or if the bottom has changed etc....Anyone who says they always know should get thier own 800 number and join Miss Cleo and give out psychic readings. The environment is always changing. Structure, behavior etc is always changing. As for overkill? I think that boils down to personal preference. I prefer to fish a liittle on the heavy side my self. On my 8ft Ticas with the Okuma 45's I use 30lb pp. On my other 8ft Tica Flats mater with the Penn captiva bait runner I use 15lb pp. Yeah I knoe I could go ligthter but I prefer not to. That's just me.