why do we vote

[ro-h2o]

I will apologies first but it seems that no matter how much we try as people we can not influence the money :(

[Talapia]

Hello Bud! We vote because if nuff
folks get sick of the way things are
we can make a change...a better
change...well that is another story! :D

[MANDINGO]

VOTE TO HAVE BUSH IMPEACHED FROM OFFICE FOR LYING OVER WMD AND THEN SAYING WE DONT TORTURE. WHAT DIDNT HE SEE THE MEMO ..LOL DIDNT HE SEE THE TRIALS/CONVICTIONS? LETS VOTE TO ALWAYS HAVE A RECOUNT IF SOMETHING FISHY HAPPENS DURING THE ELECTION. :eek: :eek: :--| BUSH

[reelrebel18]

Bush is better than any frickin democrate
kerry :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :mad: :mad: :--| :( :mad: :mad: :--| :--| :--|

[shaggy]

First off, I vote because too many people have sacrificed their lives to give me that right, and the freedom to do so.

Now to politically charge this, the UN, and Clinton stated Iraq HAD WMDs, and impeach Bush for what others had stated yeah, right, couldn't impeach Clinton for lying and doing his thang in the ORAL orifice, the Whitewater crap, the murder cover up.

Me, vote both parties, and for the longest time was independent but in Maryland, made more sense to go Rebublican so I could have access to vote in primaries. Also, have to agree with previous, take Bush over Kerry any day of the week, month or year, and will hate the day, if it happens, that Hitlary gets voted in.

Nough said, fishermen shouldn't talk politics or religion.

Have Jeep will travel :D

[fisherkid]

BUSH :D I fish(not enough :( ) and I talk politics(too much)
Fisherkid :)

[ro-h2o]

Thank you Shaggy, I had a brain fart and forgive me everyone who gave your life to give me the ability to piss and mone about this but we need to make a change on how we are taken advantage of in our goverment. I will put the soap box back under the bed now. :(

[sand flea]

Awww man, it was just starting to get good! :p

*puts popcorn away*

I think what you're saying is that you feel like there's too much money involved in the process and that your vote doesn't really matter. I suggest that that's precisely what the rich and powerful would like everyone to do--give up and quit caring.

There's a guy I work with who is from Turkey. Lots of nights we'll sit around the bar and he'll quiz me about how the U.S. system works (last night I explained why a winner-take-all system automatically leads to two parties and dampens extremism). It's during those moments that I remember how unbelievably lucky I am to live here.

Maybe your vote doesn't change anything, but your opinion matters even less if you choose not to vote.

I wish Americans travelled more. We have no idea how good we have it when compared to the rest of the planet.

[ro-h2o]

SF you said it as good as anyone could. I hate being over taxed and nothing I can do to change it but it is better than having my tongue cut out for expressing my frustration :(

[rattler]

its a 2 party system...it sucks...it doesn't allow anyone that can do better to get elected...it should be all equal...this election was all about trashing the other guy...i voted...but it was un-clear what they stood for...i say "fire them all, from congress to senate to the top"...lets start all over...we did it once...get the whole country to write in mickey mouse...WE THE PEOPLE have no say...even if it comes to a vote...we say NO, ttttheyyyy do it anyway...that felt good, thanks flea...get your popcorn back out...

[johnnyleo11]

Overtaxxed? In Virginia? You don't say!

[RuddeDogg]

What shaggy said. I dont talk much about politics and religion, because to each his own.

However,
I do have a problem with people who talk out their a$$ when it comes to the REAL reason why this country is involved overseas. Now everyone has the right to have an opinion but lets look at the reeason,(in my opinion), why we are overseas. The Bush bashers say we should impeach President Bush I ask for what? For doin his job? I would ask the Bush bashers have ya evern been to ground zero? Not now, but then. I have. Have ya seen the rescers bring out the body of a brother firefighter, not on TV, but in real life, who gave his life that day to save people he didnt know, or care what religion or political preferance they were? I HAVE!!! I have over 1000 pictures I would be willing to share with anyone to put this into perspective. Lets remember, the United States was not the only country attacked on September 11. Over 90 countries were attcked. Represented, in the World Trade Center. Also...The Pentagon is a perminent military installation and to attack it is infact an act of WAR. So to the Bush Bashers I ask this....Would you rather have a President who would rather do freaky things with his cigar and his girlfriends crotch? Or a President who was caught on camera throwing his medals over the white house fence and then lie about it when he is confronted, saying first that it wasnt him and then they werent his medals. Its about damn time we have a commander in chief that is not affraid to whoop some a$$ when it is needed. Yes I have a nephew that is ready to go over seas and possibly give his life if he has to for his country. Do I like the fact that this may happen? Of course not, but ya know what? It was his choice to go into the military. In plain hard facts, that is his job. And yes, I hate to say this, but to our men and women in the military who have openly bashed the war and our military and our president, well then you shoudnt have gone into the military. When ever that fire siren goes off I dont ask, what color are the people that need my help, what religion are they, are they democrat or republican. It doesnt matter, I just go. Dont people realize that every president has to clean up after the president before him. Where did Osama Bin-Laden get his weapons to fight the Russians,? Oh thats right I forgot, the US. The weapons that Saddam Hussein has used against us and his own people? That's right....The good old US. So let me ask you, who is going to protect this country? France, Russia, oh I know how about North Korea or China maybe. Thats a good choice. I am proud to be an American and I am proud to have the commander in chief that I have. And I dont care how we get the job done just get er done!!!!!

[ro-h2o]

If you look at how much tax you pay on everything you own, bye, earn, gass and verything else it will be more that 1/3 or more that what you earn! :( :( :( :(

[johnnyleo11]

Anyone here spend time in the military?

[big brother]

USN corpsman 69-73, yesterday my home city turned into the "Peoples Republic of Asheville, NC", do i like it--no--do i like the system that allowed it to happen, if i wasn't old, half crippled, diabetic, and just to damn fat to fit into that uniform, i would fight for that system again.
charlie farmer

[MANDINGO]

What shaggy said. I dont talk much about politics and religion, because to each his own.

However,
I do have a problem with people who talk out their a$$ when it comes to the REAL reason why this country is involved overseas. Now everyone has the right to have an opinion but lets look at the reeason,(in my opinion), why we are overseas. The Bush bashers say we should impeach President Bush I ask for what? For doin his job? I would ask the Bush bashers have ya evern been to ground zero? Not now, but then. I have. Have ya seen the rescers bring out the body of a brother firefighter, not on TV, but in real life, who gave his life that day to save people he didnt know, or care what religion or political preferance they were? I HAVE!!! I have over 1000 pictures I would be willing to share with anyone to put this into perspective. Lets remember, the United States was not the only country attacked on September 11. Over 90 countries were attcked. Represented, in the World Trade Center. Also...The Pentagon is a perminent military installation and to attack it is infact an act of WAR. So to the Bush Bashers I ask this....Would you rather have a President who would rather do freaky things with his cigar and his girlfriends crotch? Or a President who was caught on camera throwing his medals over the white house fence and then lie about it when he is confronted, saying first that it wasnt him and then they werent his medals. Its about damn time we have a commander in chief that is not affraid to whoop some a$$ when it is needed. Yes I have a nephew that is ready to go over seas and possibly give his life if he has to for his country. Do I like the fact that this may happen? Of course not, but ya know what? It was his choice to go into the military. In plain hard facts, that is his job. And yes, I hate to say this, but to our men and women in the military who have openly bashed the war and our military and our president, well then you shoudnt have gone into the military. When ever that fire siren goes off I dont ask, what color are the people that need my help, what religion are they, are they democrat or republican. It doesnt matter, I just go. Dont people realize that every president has to clean up after the president before him. Where did Osama Bin-Laden get his weapons to fight the Russians,? Oh thats right I forgot, the US. The weapons that Saddam Hussein has used against us and his own people? That's right....The good old US. So let me ask you, who is going to protect this country? France, Russia, oh I know how about North Korea or China maybe. Thats a good choice. I am proud to be an American and I am proud to have the commander in chief that I have. And I dont care how we get the job done just get er done!!!!!
i understand the 911/pentagon attacks were acts of war and terror. My question is this. if it was proven that saudi arabian citizens did this y did we attack iraq? osama isnt from iraq. and y did the bush administration allow 13 members of osamas family to fly out of this country when all air traffic was suspended? if we should be at war we should go to war with who attacks us and who hides terrorist fugitives. im m also proud to be an AMERICAN however im not proud of the way our government is being used for personal gain (OIL) nor that you care more about saving iraq and building new schools etc.more than you
do here and especially new orleans. if you can get 75 million for iraq from congress get it for new orleans as well....we are AMERICANS AND TAXPAYERS ;)

[MANDINGO]

:D Bush is better than any frickin democrate
kerry :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :--| :mad: :mad: :--| :( :mad: :mad: :--| :--| :--|
but we spell it" democrat "and mr bush cut educational funding..u should be mad..lol :D :D :p :p

[fisherkid]

Pearl Harbour. granted I was not alive then but my mother who was my teacher in sixth grade and now again in homeschool was a history major she knows these things. did we know that there was an attack planned? yes. did we stop it? no. you might say but innocent people died. but you now something if we hadn't gone into WWII who knows what would have happened. The only way to get the support for going into that war and ending it was to have them attack US otherwise congress would have said it doesnt affect us.
For anything I have gotten wrong forgive me :rolleyes:
Fisherkid :)
PS my grandfather was a medic and my grandmother still has the medals he earned. And he was a fisherman ;) My grandmother still has the sailfish mount in her living room.

[RuddeDogg]

The bashers arer missing the point as usual, and as usual the posts aren't read through. No where in my post did I say that I care about rebuilding Iraq. and in case you forgot which its very obvious that you have it has been proven that Saddam Hussein financed and paid for and has been paying Al-Quieda and their terrorist friends to carry out attacks all over the world including 9/11. I could care less about rebuilding Iraq. Thats WAR. If your buddy goes into a store and robs it and you are driving the getaway car, you are just as guilty as he is for doing the robbery. So why not attack Iraq and any othe country that was responsible including Saudi Arabia. And as for the personal gain theory, you've watched conspiracy theory way too many times. Yes we should take care of our own first. Once again read my post. No where does it say that we should rebuild Iraq instead of taking care of our own. You have your opinion and I have mine. maybe I should send you the pics that I have of the crushed police vehicles, fire trucks and ambulances and then maybe just maybe youll see the truth.

[shaggy]

:D
but we spell it" democrat "and mr bush cut educational funding..u should be mad..lol :D :D :p :p

And the **** hits the fan, we spell it dumbycrap, and sorry to offend, and yes, to be linquistically correct, instead of yup, Clinton cut NASA funding, oops (remember the shuttle disaster?), Clinton had OBL, Clinton had Monica swallowinski, and when President Bush cut taxes, YES IT DID DIRECTLY EFFECT ME! I got a frickin refund for a change.

How about the terrorist attacks during the Hitlary regime, that we turned the other cheek? You know what, for right or wrong, I commend the guy that be crybaby al and B$ Kerry, because neither one of them would have stood tall, and if ya thnk it's all about Haliburton, and oil profits, well ya'll deserve the TV programming ya watch, because obviously you LOVE CBS, even though dead rather is retired, or was he fired, or did the media dicks just not say anything? Some people read, listen and make up their own minds, others as John Fogerty wrote, believe it must be true, because I saw it on TV!

Like I said, me, whoa, happy to get a refund, child tax credit, eliminate the marriage tax, it' sall BS, as one "infamous poster once or stil, okay does end, it's us against them, you know what, I had a Fu*&ed up time for awhile, but even so, better off now than I was before, and I thank God there are people in the military who believe in their duty, not just looking for a free ride, and don't get me started in the taxes I paid for welfare food stamps and all that crap. You know why, I am going FRICKIN fishing, and fishermen don't talk politics or religion.

Oh, by the way who was in charge during the first World Trade Center Attack, and what did "S"he do?

Have Jeep will travel :D

[MANDINGO]

And the **** hits the fan, we spell it dumbycrap, and sorry to offend, and yes, to be linquistically correct, instead of yup, Clinton cut NASA funding, oops (remember the shuttle disaster?), Clinton had OBL, Clinton had Monica swallowinski, and when President Bush cut taxes, YES IT DID DIRECTLY EFFECT ME! I got a frickin refund for a change.

How about the terrorist attacks during the Hitlary regime, that we turned the other cheek? You know what, for right or wrong, I commend the guy that be crybaby al and B$ Kerry, because neither one of them would have stood tall, and if ya thnk it's all about Haliburton, and oil profits, well ya'll deserve the TV programming ya watch, because obviously you LOVE CBS, even though dead rather is retired, or was he fired, or did the media dicks just not say anything? Some people read, listen and make up their own minds, others as John Fogerty wrote, believe it must be true, because I saw it on TV!

Like I said, me, whoa, happy to get a refund, child tax credit, eliminate the marriage tax, it' sall BS, as one "infamous poster once or stil, okay does end, it's us against them, you know what, I had a Fu*&ed up time for awhile, but even so, better off now than I was before, and I thank God there are people in the military who believe in their duty, not just looking for a free ride, and don't get me started in the taxes I paid for welfare food stamps and all that crap. You know why, I am going FRICKIN fishing, and fishermen don't talk politics or religion.

Oh, by the way who was in charge during the first World Trade Center Attack, and what did "S"he do?

Have Jeep will travel :D
u get a refund and u r happy ..its funny you support a man with 39% popularity vote. i pay taxes too..but there is a right way to things and a wrong way and to do them. i pay taxes and ive had family go over there and not come home alive. for what? so you can enjoy your refund its people that dont get the whole picture like you who get brain washed. i guess his appointment of ex fema head (brown) was one of his better jobs too..lol

[MANDINGO]

The bashers arer missing the point as usual, and as usual the posts aren't read through. No where in my post did I say that I care about rebuilding Iraq. and in case you forgot which its very obvious that you have it has been proven that Saddam Hussein financed and paid for and has been paying Al-Quieda and their terrorist friends to carry out attacks all over the world including 9/11. I could care less about rebuilding Iraq. Thats WAR. If your buddy goes into a store and robs it and you are driving the getaway car, you are just as guilty as he is for doing the robbery. So why not attack Iraq and any othe country that was responsible including Saudi Arabia. And as for the personal gain theory, you've watched conspiracy theory way too many times. Yes we should take care of our own first. Once again read my post. No where does it say that we should rebuild Iraq instead of taking care of our own. You have your opinion and I have mine. maybe I should send you the pics that I have of the crushed police vehicles, fire trucks and ambulances and then maybe just maybe youll see the truth.
i was making a point that is supported by truth. as i stated im in agreement as far as attacks on the U.S. however iraq was not who sent them or who funded them it was the saudis. we rub elbows with them so we cant attack them but we will attack the next closest dictator with oil right? i agree saddam was a tyrant who deserves to be stoned to death :D but when did we get the power to police the world without the blessings of nato? y not go and assaninate the crazy !@#$% and put in our puppet dictator like we always have done. cheaper and we wouldnt have so many young men dying for nothing or shall i say iraq.

[shaggy]

So , ya rather have a prez playing a cigar in moany's gitch, or giving him a blow job in the oral orafice, while we experience irrational exhuberence in the dot bomb stock market? Not me, me wanna keep what is mine, cut taxes, go to war and get the WMDs theat the un and cliton admin said were there, and if not, free some people, show the worl when push comes to shove F#@& off, it's about us. Ya want food stamps or welfare, well hell, we got plenty of median strips here in Maryland that need cutting, or trash picked up from, and as to popularity, who frickin cares? Not me, he can't run again, so, might as well stand tall and it is nice to see at least from appearence a man with morals in the office instead of a man wioth his pants down, wasting a good cigar :rolleyes: , 'nough by me

Have Jeep will travel :D

[MANDINGO]

So , ya rather have a prez playing a cigar in moany's gitch, or giving him a blow job in the oral orafice, while we experience irrational exhuberence in the dot bomb stock market? Not me, me wanna keep what is mine, cut taxes, go to war and get the WMDs theat the un and cliton admin said were there, and if not, free some people, show the worl when push comes to shove F#@& off, it's about us. Ya want food stamps or welfare, well hell, we got plenty of median strips here in Maryland that need cutting, or trash picked up from, and as to popularity, who frickin cares? Not me, he can't run again, so, might as well stand tall and it is nice to see at least from appearence a man with morals in the office instead of a man wioth his pants down, wasting a good cigar :rolleyes: , 'nough by me


thats toooo funny especially the morals point the only part you got right was the "appearenc" part.thats all it is too an appearance...a sham he knows nada except what the telemonitor reads and the oil companies keep getting tax breaks while gas goesout the roof...oh yeah great job. as far as the medians go thats y we have convicts to do that. :p

Have Jeep will travel :D` :eek: :eek:

[shaggy]

Me, gas paying $2.19, and markets holding up decent, economy by MOST measures okay, not strong, keeping more of MY , and finally, can you demons admit ya lost the last two elections and move on? NOPE, impossible, Rather couldn't even he admit he lied, must be related to Clinton.

Don't even get me started, even as a "registered" Republican, half my votes last time went to Democrats, because they were the "best" choice, but apparently to some, okay most if not all, demos, best is not the right reason to vote.

:--|

[ro-h2o]

Did anyone see the report that the gas companies had a record quarter last quarter? They were crying bankruptcy and said they had to hike the price up to cover losses! Yea right they all can kiss my fat @$$!

[ro-h2o]

The profit was in the billons not sales profits. That was just one quarter so if we went over seas to get there oil and that was the reason we sure did a he!! of a job :(

[MANDINGO]

since when do hurricanes raise the price of gas....pure bs :--| :--|

[fshnful]

I had heard this from one of my co-workers. A couple of republicans are pushing a new tax in what I think is called a consumer tax. Instead of paying payroll taxes you pay a 22% tax on all products bought. This would eliminate the IRS, filling out taxes each year (unless you sold merchandise) and eliminate Americans who avoid the taxes ( through loop holes or just not filing). A 22% tax on merchandise is already there after the goods go through all the middle men and each one recovers the cost of product and taxes so sounds like something to consider. I think in the end the government would gain more money b/c we all know that a little extra in the pocket means new toys.

[MANDINGO]

I had heard this from one of my co-workers. A couple of republicans are pushing a new tax in what I think is called a consumer tax. Instead of paying payroll taxes you pay a 22% tax on all products bought. This would eliminate the IRS, filling out taxes each year (unless you sold merchandise) and eliminate Americans who avoid the taxes ( through loop holes or just not filing). A 22% tax on merchandise is already there after the goods go through all the middle men and each one recovers the cost of product and taxes so sounds like something to consider. I think in the end the government would gain more money b/c we all know that a little extra in the pocket means new toys.
GETS MY VOTE

[fisherkid]

since when do hurricanes raise the price of gas....pure bs :--| :--|
From the refineries we have here other prices also go up because we get a lot of shipments from south america but if the gulf coast is having problems we have problems with supply and demand. Bush does not do this for oil he does it for whats right. you do realize if we leave some people in power what they could/will do. Kerry LIED. he came back to the U.S. with his purple hearts and tried to get fellow soldiers in trouble saying that they were doing things that they shouldn't have. Clinton, how many people did he pardon. nobody's perfect but Clinton has a seperate house from his wife. its polliticly motivated. Bush he goes to his ranch and enjoys just being a human. Yes he has money but he's not sitting up there saying we have to defend ourselves and not doing anything when we get attacked. Bush when we get attacked takes a stand. I think we're getting into a big argument which is why my daddy says at work no talking about politics :rolleyes:
Fisherkid :)

[ro-h2o]

As far as gas goes, we have a demand for it and we are at there mercy. It just pisses me off that they can cry bankruptcy and rape us for our hard earned money. I just saw that there are cars that run off of used cooking oil. How long has that been hidden? The hurricane may have disrupted our business but on any and every opportunity we as citizens are take advantage of from our leaders :(

[fisherkid]

With the gas we know how to have alternate fuel sources it's we don't want to it's esier this way. you know one reason we don't drill our own oil of which we have huge reserves? environmentalists. yeah we don't want the habitat destroyed but if were not going to spend the money and effort to USE alternate fuel sources then we need to get our own oil. we may just have to set aside some areas to drill and just let the animals adapt and move like that have for thousands of years. It really has do to with the fact that were lazy. why do we get fast food? it's easy. then we sue them :rolleyes: it's that we just feel like we shouldn't have to do anything. as fisherman we can understand the importance of the envirement without going of the deepend like peta :--| Gas is 2.50 here. I remember it being .99. there are people like Rudde Dog who dedicate themeselves to this country while others whine that the government isn't giving them everything for free. The way to be strong as a people is to take care of ourselves but to know to be there for others and when we need them they'll be their for us. We gripe about who the President is but we don't take into account what else is going on. How would clinton have handeled it. When the embassys where attacked when the Navy was attacked he said we must get Bin Laden. who actually is the one to have taken action. BUSH. the military enlisted because they wanted to be able to have freedom. not all of them are rebublican. they don't take oil there they do whats right including fishing :D
Fisherkid :)

[ro-h2o]

ORIGONALY QUOTED BY FISHERKID "This is all coming from a teenager "


fisherkid Let me give you some advise. When you make a good point don't blow your own horn. I am impressed that a young adult has a solid mind of his own, but we see that, so you don't need to pump your self up { it means more when you have our respect with out beating your own drum} Keep up the good work.Scott

[fisherkid]

ORIGONALY QUOTED BY FISHERKID "This is all coming from a teenager "


fisherkid Let me give you some advise. When you make a good point don't blow your own horn. I am impressed that a young adult has a solid mind of his own, but we see that, so you don't need to pump your self up { it means more when you have our respect with out beating your own drum} Keep up the good work.Scott
Your right and I'll edit but it will be in your post. The point of that was more fustration because when I go to BPS and look around they think I'm crazy because of the fact that I'm a teenager. I really now whats its like to be a minority because I'm white in south florida where everbodys cuban. I have nothing against cubans but right after wilma my stepfather and I were looking for more gas cans and a siphon. we went to advanced auto parts and there was an employee standing there the guy before us he let in. he told us they were closed. the next guy who was cuban he let in. :--| . the same thing almost happend at the next store. auto zone. we just went by him saying we'll check to see if they have. they didn't so we left. I was just trying to say that while some teens might act a bit wild they also have some sense and they grow up.
Fisherkid :)
PS if I came across the wrong way I'm sorry it was just that I felt people should understand that young adults and children can realize the importance of such things

[rattler]

fisherkid...i know where you are comming from...i'm 47...and have seen many things like what you posted...you are still young and don't want to get "jaded" by others...the only people in life i can't take are "idiots and aholes"... what ever they are doing at the time...as for BUSH...best man we got...i think gov is to big, spends to much and is run like a family owned business...have you ever heard of "PORK" bills?...its an attachment on an bill that gets passed...say new road needs to be done...but "PORK" get a new office building...one has nothing to do with the other...oil...don't get me started...grow up as a good person that fishes...that and an education ia all you need...

[emanuel]

I voted for Nader in 2000 and Kerrry in 2004. I personally cannot stand Bush. I don't mind Sr. as much because he wasn't as much of a puppet of the "religious right" as his son is. Bush by himself wouldn't be as bad if it weren't for the fact that he bows to the wishes of everyone who is actually running the white house. I'm a strong supporter of Israel, being part-Jewish and having family there. I'm waiting for McCain to run in a couple years, I'll be glad to vote for him again. I voted for him in the 2000 primary against Bush.

I guess you could say I'm a left-leaning Republican or right-leaning Democrat. I have no allegiance to either major party because they're trying to play nice to too many people and special-interest groups.

[sand flea]

Two things I'd like to interject here:

1. When it comes to government overspending, the last few years have been the worst in U.S. history. I know that everybody thinks Republicans are all about clamping down, but that is not the case any more. I wish it were. There have never been larger deficits and expansions in government spending.

2. Gas prices. We live in a market economy, which means that demand determines prices. If the supply of something goes down (hurricanes wiping out refineries or oil rigs) or the demand for it goes up (Chinese factories needing more oil to fuel their factories), the price goes up. It sucks, but that's the way it goes. You didn't hear anyone complaining when it was $1.50 a gallon, a price that was determined by the same market forces.

The other option? Shut down the oil companies and institute price controls. Tax the crap out of it. Europe has already done this. Here's what it's done to prices (http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/).

[fisherkid]

Emanuel what do you mean by part Jewish?
Have you ever been to Israel? I'm going with my mother to visit my sister in school there.
Fisherkid :)

[johnnyleo11]

okay, back to the Oil thing.

Anyone suprised that the country we import the most foreign oil from is our neighbo"u"r up north?

[fisherkid]

After wilma it was close if not over 3.00$ a gallon so 1.50 is cheap. but I remember .99 my mother was banging her head against the pump because she didn't have her car we were in my stepfathers and with a discount card it was .94
Fisherkid

[fisherkid]

okay, back to the Oil thing.

Anyone suprised that the country we import the most foreign oil from is our neighbo"u"r up north?
I don't know what your'e talking about. bring me up to speed.
Fisherkid :)

[Sgt_Slough]

Our present situation regarding oil/gas pricing has more to do with China receiving Most Favored Nation Status and admittance to world banking and trade organizations in the late 90's than Bush, Texas oilmen or the war in Iraq.

China's exponentially enlarging demand for oil is the result of them being able to finally join the table of the world's economic superpowers. That seat was fought for by our President at the time and that seat came with an inherent access to cheap money that allowed China to rapidly expand their industrial base. The act of bringing China to the table without any framework of enforceable trade, copyright and trademark regulations was foolish and shortsighted. (I won't even bring up the human rights situation, if a caring, soft-hearted Democratic President can turn a blind eye, so can I)

China's thirst has grown at alarming levels, up over a million barrels a day in the last year to over 7 million barrels a day now.

China is now burying us economically and their demand for oil will not slow.

China was the world's second largest consumer of petroleum products in 2004, having surpassed Japan for the first time in 2003, with total demand of 6.5 million barrels per day (bbl/d). China's oil demand is projected by EIA to reach 14.2 million bbl/d by 2025, with net imports of 10.9 million bbl/d. As the source of around 40% of world oil demand growth over the past four years, with year-on-year growth of 1.0 million bbl/d in 2004, Chinese oil demand is a key factor in world oil markets.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/china.html

China has now become the major force in driving world oil prices because of their predatory style of business. The global oil market is volatile because any day it can be announced that China has cornered a major global supplier and taken a large segment of production out of the world marketplace.

China has also embarked on a frenzy of oil hunting diplomacy. China's rulers seldom go anywhere these days without talking oil, while at home in the last year they have unrolled the red carpet in Beijing to dignitaries from all 11 countries in the Opec cartel.

They got results.

China clinched deals to develop fields in Iran.

The red flag came out too, as China opted for a bit of anti-imperialist bonding. Cuba agreed to let China explore its coastal oil fields.

And eyebrows were raised in Washington when left-wing Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez offered Chinese firms operating rights to mature oil fields.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4191683.stm

China owning Venezuella's oil production and in conrtol of the Panama Canal . . . what comforting thoughts.

If you really want to discuss the major driving force of gasoline prices here in the USA it will center on regional blends.

Regional blends cause supply shortages and the supply situation has become only worse over the years with the patchwork of locales which have banned MTBE.

Non-MTBE gas blendstock can not be piped in the same pipes as MTBE blendstock; the raw blendstock’s unique characteristics demands it must be segregated from other gasoline all the way up the transportation system until the point just before it is mingled with ethanol and delivered to the service station. It cannot move through normal distribution channels and requires an entirely separate, dedicated transportation network. $$$$$$$$$$$$ Wonder why California suffers with the highest gas prices in the nation? There ya go . . .

We have been held hostage by the enviro-reg wackos and now are paying for it through the nose. Thank goodness Bush suspended the regional blend regulations or certain areas of the country would be spending $8.00 a gallon

So, can we blame our present situation on the left and the Clintonistas, in bed with enviromental wackos enacting a patchwork of regulations that throw the gas marketplace into a tizzy every 6 months with the seasonal changeover? I do.

What about other enviro-regs that have made it impossible to build a new refinery - - none have been built in the uS for 30 years. Since 1981, the total number of refineries in the U.S. has fallen from 324 to only 149 today. In 1989 they made one blend of gas, now there are upwards of 20.

But, there are those who say there is only one cause of gas prices: Bush, Halliburton and his "oil cronies"

Sorry, I think that line of argument --- while ignoring and dismissing real evidence of negative pressure on the marketplace --- is ridiculous.

[emanuel]

It's always about the dollar, or yen, or peso, etc.

I'm part-Jewish I guess. My grandmother on my dad's side was Jewish, which makes him Jewish although my mother isn't. Apparently members of Reformed Judaism recognize me as Jewish but the Orthodox don't. Catholic one side, Jewish the other. Talk about guilt! :D

[fisherkid]

Sarge, I forgot about all that. But that information has reached me before. thanks for the refreshments. Emanuel no hard feelings. If they accept you they can accept me. right? just want to be sure peolple don't have issues with religion and it being a seperating factor.
Fisherkid :)

[fisherkid]

The worlds a crazy place, what can I say. :rolleyes:

[Advisor]

Ya Know, I'd love to see a placeon each ballot for "NO VIABLE CANDIDATE". If that one gets the most votes, there could be another run off with new people. It'll never happen since the politicians won't let it> :rolleyes:

[emanuel]

Sand Flea for President? :D Sorry, I can't go for VP, too many skeletons in my closet.

[MANDINGO]

It's always about the dollar, or yen, or peso, etc.

I'm part-Jewish I guess. My grandmother on my dad's side was Jewish, which makes him Jewish although my mother isn't. Apparently members of Reformed Judaism recognize me as Jewish but the Orthodox don't. Catholic one side, Jewish the other. Talk about guilt! :D
THATS THE PETTY PART OF LIFE..EVERYONE TRYING TO FIGURE WHO WHAT YOU ARE AND FORGETTING THE MOST IMPORTANT PART..WE ARE ALL BROTHERS IN THE HUMAN RACE.
:D

[RuddeDogg]

Well said mandingo, well said indeed. :cool:

[SeaSalt]

Increase in oil prices just shows universal dependence on energy like oil. I recommend people to start investing into energy funds because there is only limited amound of energy for never ending demand... someone has to find alternative energy resource in the future... :) anyone trade around here?

[Mark G]

I had heard this from one of my co-workers. A couple of republicans are pushing a new tax in what I think is called a consumer tax. Instead of paying payroll taxes you pay a 22% tax on all products bought. This would eliminate the IRS, filling out taxes each year (unless you sold merchandise) and eliminate Americans who avoid the taxes ( through loop holes or just not filing). A 22% tax on merchandise is already there after the goods go through all the middle men and each one recovers the cost of product and taxes so sounds like something to consider. I think in the end the government would gain more money b/c we all know that a little extra in the pocket means new toys.


So, I wouldn't pay any taxes on money earned, just on money spent. Might be wrong, but seems like a surefire plan to stifle the economy. You really going to pay that high tax on unnecessary items when you can pocket 100% of earnings?

Also might lead to an exponential growth in black market sales- people that want to avoid paying taxes will- whether it be "income" or "sales" tax

Less than .02 worth ;)

[fisherkid]

I don't mind people who aren't jewish I was born Jewish, Fine. you were not born jewish, fine. doesnt' matter you like fishing I like fishing. so I have extra things I do because I'm jewish theres no reason it should affect anything. like you said we should all get along. Now lets just let the terrorists know. like you said we're all human
Fisherkid :)

[fisherkid]

Increase in oil prices just shows universal dependence on energy like oil. I recommend people to start investing into energy funds because there is only limited amound of energy for never ending demand... someone has to find alternative energy resource in the future... :) anyone trade around here?
we have it, we know how to do it. this is esier,cheaper, we just don't want to have to put in the effort to change how we do things. Simply put WE'RE LAZY.
Fisherkid :)

[fisherkid]

If anybody read what Sgt Slough wrote you will see that we are enabling china. we need to get off our lazy behinds and manufacture our own stuff spend more but don't give them it will cost us less in the long run(lives). just recently they caught people giving china HIGHLY CLASSIFED info including a way to track our stealth subs. they want to be a world force. if we keep out money here we'll be better off. if we dont outsource people here would have jobs. If we USE alternate fuel sources we would have the ability to easily surpass them because they'd still be in the oil generation. and if we arn't buying everything from them we won't have as much of the issue of people giving away CLASSIFED information.
Fisherkid :)

[Shoebag22]

I think the biggest problem that I have, and probably most, is that we don't seem to have any sort of strategy. We seem to be going about everything by the seat of our pants...
This administration seems to be incapable of admitting any wrong doing about anything... I would have a ton more respect for them if they would just say that we've made some mistakes throughout this whole process, but we're in it for the right reasons.

I think I could get behind something like that, but to act like we've made all the right moves the past 3 years turns me completely off.


On a little side note... if our government were a business, it would have been bankrupt and sold a long time ago... everyone has to keep a budget except for the gov't.

[fisherkid]

$$$ is always an issue :(

[MANDINGO]

$$$ is always an issue :(
I SAW ON 60 MIUTES HOW GM HAS DEVELOPED HYDROGEN CARS AND FROM THE EXHAUST CAME DRINKING WATER PURE AND CLEAN. YES I SAID DRINKING WATER CUZ THEY PUT CUPS UNDER THE TAIL PIPE AND HAD A GLASSFUL. MY POINT IS THIS IF U HAVE VIABLE METHODS LETS TAKE STEPS TO PHASE IT INTO THE SYSTEM LIKE THEY DID UNLEADED GAS. GRADUALLY SAY OVER 3-5 YR PERIOD AND THEN IMPLIMENT A STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD. TOYOTA ALREADY IS MAKING A KILLING ON HYBRID CELL OPERATED VEHICLES. IM SURE IN THE LONG RUN THE PLANET WOULD BE MUCH BETTER AND THERFORE SO WOULD THE FISHING ;)

[MANDINGO]

Is Understood But They Started Running Out Of Gas Before Katrina Hit In Some Of Those Southern Areas. Gas Was Almost 6.oo In Some Places Thats Not Demand Thats Plain Greedy. And Since When Does A Hurricane Influence Gas Prices Nationwide Especially When We Import Most Of Our Gas From Canada?lastly The Experts Claimed That The Impact Would Take 2-3 Weeks B4 The Decline In Barrel Production Would Affect Us. The Prices Of Gas Soared Up And By The Time 2-3 Weeks Got Hear Prices Began To Decline Until Rita Hit.....i Dont Know About You But That Doesnt Sound Like Demand To Me. Gas Prices Didnt Climb This Dramaticaly Back In '79. Remember Getting Gas By Even And Odd Numbers On Your Tags? I Do And The Lines..omg That Was Demand At Its Best.

[johnnyleo11]

I don't know what your'e talking about. bring me up to speed.
Fisherkid :)

62% of our imported oil comes from Canada.

[rattler]

the US is a comsumer country...WE all want instant gratification and reward..this problem started in the 60's...and it ain't gonna be fixed in a week...europe drives little cars and pay $5 bucks+ for gas...this is where we are going...toyota is more efficent than ford or gm...i think we got big trouble comming and we better think about that...

[ro-h2o]

and anyone else check out HYMAC.com and just take a look at what we have had for years and would not put it into use because of[ Government secrecy] We could have used a method of cracking molecules and adding a hydrogen molecule to it and increase gas mileage 3X. Just take a look and see for your self.

[NTKG]

sarge, excellent post, flea, excellent postS


to alot of the other posts i read im just sitting here shaking my head not knowing weather i should laugh, or cry at the level _________ of the average american. theres alot more to things than one report you read or hear on the news boys. i dont care if your 62 or 17 age doesn't mean a thing, knowing 1/10 of something and voicing harsh opinions is as ignorant as not knowing anything about nothing and not speaking... oh and by they way there is never a quick fix, please remember that as in everything in life, politics, every action has 1000000's of consequences, its not just as easy as make/market hydrogen fuelled vehicles, by the way most of you guys on here im sure couldnt afford one, let alone maintain it... ugh, politics is something that fisherman just shouldnt get into, thats why we fish isnt it? its the only thing in the world where it actually doesnt matter if your black or white or yellow or arabic or how much $$$$$$$$ you have. i like being able to fish with _______ not give a chit about where they're from, what they do, or whatever else, just nice to meet a nice person lets go drink a bl


neil

[Talapia]

That is the great thing about america.
As much as someone may think they
know about how things "really" work,
they only get one vote. Everybody's
opinion counts the same.

We all get our news from different
sources. That does not make it any
more credible. Some folks swear that
the Washington Post and CNN is full
of crap and some think the Washington
Time and Fox news is full of crap.
They will each tell you the other has an
agenda and lies. They are both probably
right. Some folks will also tell you that
you have to listen to both sides and
make up your own mind...basically no
matter what you may think, there is
always a chance that it is wrong because
news is only as good as the folks who
report it, and you do not know if they
have an agenda or not. I love it when
my military coworkers tell you that this
and that is a fact because they were
involved in this or that planning or
operation. Sad fact is that only the
top Senior leaders know what is true or
not, and they spin everything.

[Pond Fisher]

The profit was in the billons not sales profits. That was just one quarter so if we went over seas to get there oil and that was the reason we sure did a he!! of a job :(

You don't have to buy gas, just like you don't have to buy a ball game ticket and support these mulit-million dollar athletes.


Chris

[Pond Fisher]

As far as gas goes, we have a demand for it and we are at there mercy. It just pisses me off that they can cry bankruptcy and rape us for our hard earned money. I just saw that there are cars that run off of used cooking oil. How long has that been hidden? The hurricane may have disrupted our business but on any and every opportunity we as citizens are take advantage of from our leaders :(

It wasn't hidden you just didn't look.

Chris

[fisherkid]

I SAW ON 60 MIUTES HOW GM HAS DEVELOPED HYDROGEN CARS AND FROM THE EXHAUST CAME DRINKING WATER PURE AND CLEAN. YES I SAID DRINKING WATER CUZ THEY PUT CUPS UNDER THE TAIL PIPE AND HAD A GLASSFUL. MY POINT IS THIS IF U HAVE VIABLE METHODS LETS TAKE STEPS TO PHASE IT INTO THE SYSTEM LIKE THEY DID UNLEADED GAS. GRADUALLY SAY OVER 3-5 YR PERIOD AND THEN IMPLIMENT A STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD. TOYOTA ALREADY IS MAKING A KILLING ON HYBRID CELL OPERATED VEHICLES. IM SURE IN THE LONG RUN THE PLANET WOULD BE MUCH BETTER AND THERFORE SO WOULD THE FISHING ;)
I did mention we have other sources and yes it would be nice to phase it in. it's the cost and the fact that like rattler said we just want the easy way. ie. instant gratification. as for the hybrids they cost alot and alot of the toyota's just got recalled :rolleyes: We have to perfect them and lower costs of them. my stepfather has been looking into them as he for his entire life has been into the latest cars and what he's found is they are MUCH more exspensive and they won't save you money for awhile because of the increased cost. theyr'e very limited here which is why they charge an extra fee for it.
Fisherkid :)

[Pond Fisher]

okay, back to the Oil thing.

Anyone suprised that the country we import the most foreign oil from is our neighbo"u"r up north?

Why is it more expensive up there? (just a question not trying to make a point)

Chris

[Pond Fisher]

I SAW ON 60 MIUTES HOW GM HAS DEVELOPED HYDROGEN CARS AND FROM THE EXHAUST CAME DRINKING WATER PURE AND CLEAN. YES I SAID DRINKING WATER CUZ THEY PUT CUPS UNDER THE TAIL PIPE AND HAD A GLASSFUL. MY POINT IS THIS IF U HAVE VIABLE METHODS LETS TAKE STEPS TO PHASE IT INTO THE SYSTEM LIKE THEY DID UNLEADED GAS. GRADUALLY SAY OVER 3-5 YR PERIOD AND THEN IMPLIMENT A STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD. TOYOTA ALREADY IS MAKING A KILLING ON HYBRID CELL OPERATED VEHICLES. IM SURE IN THE LONG RUN THE PLANET WOULD BE MUCH BETTER AND THERFORE SO WOULD THE FISHING ;)

These hybrid cell cars. What about the people that need power in trucks or have big families such as six people like in my family?????


Chris

[Talapia]

You don't have to buy gas, just like you don't have to buy a ball game ticket and support these mulit-million dollar athletes.


Chris

OK, then what do you do to get to work
if public transportation is not available?

What if your buisness is trucking?

By the way, there are a lot of things
that you do not "have" to buy...

Clothes
Electricity
tooth paste
soap
underwear
deodorant
toilet paper
......

[Pond Fisher]

Thats my point so stop complaining or get a bike, you were also given two legs by God.

Chris

[Talapia]

Thats my point so stop complaining or get a bike, you were also given two legs by God.

Chris

"Stop complaining or get a bike"
That is an excellent real world
solution. Gee, I guess that really
solves the problem.... :rolleyes:

[MANDINGO]

These hybrid cell cars. What about the people that need power in trucks or have big families such as six people like in my family?????


Chris
ME TOO I HAVE 5 IN MY FAMILY

[MANDINGO]

Our Big Military Vehicles Run On It Y Cant We Make It So For Civilian Vehicles? Also Wouldnt Mind Living Near Coors In The West....they Were Turning Their Beer Into Fuel With Some Adjusting Of Its Ingredients :d Its Funny All These Big Business /coops Are Coming To The American Citizens Aid When The Government Is Bogged Down By Paperwork,red Tape, Incompitence And In Short Bs. Id Just Like To Say Ty To Wal Mart Coors And Many Others Who Have Stepped Up. As For Who Is Right And Who Is Wrong The Media Lies And So Do The Politicians Its Poor Saps Like Us That Try To Weed Out The Truth However Little May Be There.

[pensfan]

Once the U.S. drastically reduces it dependence on foriegn oil, it loses it's toehold in the Middle East. The only reason they tolerate us westerners is our money, which we spend on their oil. No politician on the horizon is gonna give up our influence in the Middle East in exchange for cheaper energy, not to mention what it will do to the good ole boy oilmen here in the US. That's why very little is allocated to alternative fuel research. Much money would have to be invested to set up the infrastructure needed to make an alternative fuel (hydrogen) practicle. The technology exists, but there is little willingness to fund it.

[rattler]

Talipia made a good point...we live in the days of "SPIN"...news people used to dig for the truth...it seems that now, they just sit back and wait to be told what to write...there some exceptions...its up to use to sort it all out...things happen without much explaination most of the time...its this happened so this is gonna happen...we are told that we have no choice...most believe it...many say we can't change it...you as an american must decide where you stand...but there is no easy fix...took us 400yrs to get here...jm2