Should Gay Couples be allowed to adopt?

[Talapia]

What are your thoughts on this subject?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060221/pl_usatoday/drivestobangayadoptionheatupin16states

Let's try to have an adult discussion on
this one. No slurs or crude comments
please.;)

[matt anderson]

Ya why not
I do'nt think a kid brought up by a gay cuple will turn out gay .....and if he or she dos big deel

Im tierd of seeing on the news protest agenst marige and adopting by Gay cuples

Try to keep a open mind about it

Is it rely hurting you?????

what you get out of life is what you make of it


Matt Anderson

[Talapia]

Well I think that this is one of the most
complex issues we will face as a
society. I am really all over the place
on this one. Since I am a christian I
feel that the best environment for a
child is in a home with a married loving
heterosexual couple or parent. I am
also a realist, and realize that there are
far more kids who need a home than there
are loving couples to take them in. I would
far rather see a child taken out of foster
care and put into a loving home...gay
or not. So I guess that my personal
preference would be yes, they should
be allowed to adopt....but only if a
loving hetersexual couple or parent
(singular) could not be found first. My
rational for this belief also stems from
the fact that the childs interest should
be first, and in my opinion the lifestyle
that a gay couple leads is outside of
"mainstream" life and culture and would
not be in the "best" interest for a young
child.

[NTKG]

Well I think that this is one of the most
complex issues we will face as a
society. I am really all over the place
on this one. Since I am a christian I
feel that the best environment for a
child is in a home with a married loving
heterosexual couple or parent. I am
also a realist, and realize that there are
far more kids who need a home than there
are loving couples to take them in. I would
far rather see a child taken out of foster
care and put into a loving home...gay
or not. So I guess that my personal
preference would be yes, they should
be allowed to adopt....but only if a
loving hetersexual couple or parent
(singular) could not be found first. My
rational for this belief also stems from
the fact that the childs interest should
be first, and in my opinion the lifestyle
that a gay couple leads is outside of
"mainstream" life and culture and would
not be in the "best" interest for a young
child.


i agree. i am a believer of christian values, and agree that there are too many kids without families, but that homosexual couples should not have the first right, but rather maybe a tertiary based along the same lines you had stated, i dont believe that it would be a standard mainstream interests and culture, but rather as an alternative lifestyle.

neil

[matt anderson]

I come from a christain family .........that has a few gay members

I also Come from a culturely divers Family

by all rights i think a gay cuple should have equle rights to adoption

remember god loves us all for who we are

[bcssux]

god does love us all for "who we are" but that does not mean he loves and accepts someones homosexuality. he hates the sin, not the person.

[Talapia]

See now that is why this is such a complex
topic. By mentioning god and homosexuality
that opens up a whole different can of worms.

I will leave that topic alone for now and
focus on the adoption issue. This may not
sound PC but my gut feeling on this is
that since homosexual couples cannot
naturally (god given ability- not physical
problems) have children that this is a way
for them to "cheat" nature and get around
the "rules" of nature so to speak. So
basically I am saying that it is unnatural
for gay couples to have children regardless of
the means by which they came to have them.

[bcssux]

that thought has also come to my mind, and also been used in some conversations between me and my more "liberal/left" friends. good point

[shaggy]

Me torn, but here is my thinking, and will start by stating have some excellent "alternative" friends, and one thing I can say is they will never back out on you when you are in need of help, and are some of the kindest, most generous people around.

On marrage, I say no, based on my "beliefs", but feel that "couples" should be afforded family health benefits, survival benefits and most other rights in America. Me, have no problem with a "gay" couple, guys or girls adopting, and don't feel it is or should be a right of first refusal by heterosexual/or single parents.

Me, I am not one who would say I am a "better" parent or role model because I am heterosexual, and married, we all make mistakes, and don't think an adopted child would suffer any irreversable harm raised in said scenerio, everyone has something to share, teach and pass on to others, and me to each his own.

Found most don't "force" thier feelings on others, and remember a time that I was finally asked by my friends, some male some female, "now, we been going to your spots for a couple of years, would you go to the Mascarade with us?" Well, used to be (and may still be arond) a "gay" bar around Fells Point, Baltimore area, I said I had no problem with it, and my friend and her girlfriend, well walked into the place, introducing me this way..."this is Bob, he is staright and anybody that wants to f$%k with him will have to f$%k with us first. Well, let's just say, no one made a pass, didn't have to by a drink all night, and all my pool games were free. Weird, but people I didn't even know thanked me for stopping by. And, for the record, when they come to town have gotten the call meet us here or there, and dang if I don't, but preferred the ol 8X10 or the Marble Bar.

Have Jeep will travel :D

[Talapia]

Me torn, but here is my thinking, and will start by stating have some excellent "alternative" friends, and one thing I can say is they will never back out on you when you are in need of help, and are some of the kindest, most generous people around.

On marrage, I say no, based on my "beliefs", but feel that "couples" should be afforded family health benefits, survival benefits and most other rights in America. Me, have no problem with a "gay" couple, guys or girls adopting, and don't feel it is or should be a right of first refusal by heterosexual/or single parents.

Me, I am not one who would say I am a "better" parent or role model because I am heterosexual, and married, we all make mistakes, and don't think an adopted child would suffer any irreversable harm raised in said scenerio, everyone has something to share, teach and pass on to others, and me to each his own.

Found most don't "force" thier feelings on others, and remember a time that I was finally asked by my friends, some male some female, "now, we been going to your spots for a couple of years, would you go to the Mascarade with us?" Well, used to be (and may still be arond) a "gay" bar around Fells Point, Baltimore area, I said I had no problem with it, and my friend and her girlfriend, well walked into the place, introducing me this way..."this is Bob, he is staright and anybody that wants to f$%k with him will have to f$%k with us first. Well, let's just say, no one made a pass, didn't have to by a drink all night, and all my pool games were free. Weird, but people I didn't even know thanked me for stopping by. And, for the record, when they come to town have gotten the call meet us here or there, and dang if I don't, but preferred the ol 8X10 or the Marble Bar.

Have Jeep will travel :D

Some very good points there. From what
I can tell, you are opposed to a "legal"
government/church sponsored marriage,
but are in favor of a common law type
marriage. That is another good example
of why I feel that this type of adoption is so
out of touch with what most people
would consider a good atmosphere to raise
a child in. I guess what I am saying is that
you are in essence agreeing to the fact that
it is an unnatural thing (based on your
beliefs) and that there should be legal limits
to what is allowed and not allowed (marriage).

[Orest]

So some of you folks would rather let a child get lost in the foster care system then allow a gay couple from adopting a child in need of a loving home.

I don't care if your gay, married or single and you meet some kind of qualification, you should be able to adopt.

Here is anopther one, What is your take on assistance suicide? Am all for it.

[Talapia]

[QUOTE=Orest]So some of you folks would rather let a child get lost in the foster care system then allow a gay couple from adopting a child in need of a loving home.
QUOTE]

Hello Orest! Actually I do not think
that one person has actually said that...
most seemed to have agreed that adoption
into a loving home would be preferable.
I think that we were down one level
and discussing the order of merit for
adoption...i.e. should gay couples get
equal rights as far as adoption priority as a
hetersexual couple...this one could
be interesting...;)

[Orest]

But the question is are you for it or against it? I am for it. I think most people let their religious beliefs get in the way. And it should have nothing to do with the issue.

[shaggy]

That is another good example
of why I feel that this type of adoption is so
out of touch with what most people
would consider a good atmosphere to raise
a child in. I guess what I am saying is that
you are in essence agreeing to the fact that
it is an unnatural thing (based on your
beliefs) and that there should be legal limits
to what is allowed and not allowed (marriage).

Not at all, and think gay couples have much love and can and do raise children in a good atmosphere, and with your statement, if that was true and thought "unnatural", then I would oppose heterosexual couples due to infertility or medical reasons from adopting or the whole invitro fertilization thing. After all, maybe "God" made conception impossible, so why if that couple or this couple, since they cannot have children "naturally" be place aboved others, because they are "straight"? :rolleyes:

And for the record, I feel that there is something that makes one fall "in love" with someone, as I have been lucky enough to have done, I don't really believe it is a "learned trait", so who am I to condemn. Civil marriage would be okay, if and when they change the term marriage, from meaning man and woman, to two people in love, but religously no, wouldn't work, so, maybe I am two sided.

Have Jeep will travel :D

[Talapia]

But the question is are you for it or against it? I am for it. I think most people let their religious beliefs get in the way. And it should have nothing to do with the issue.

My second post states my belief. Basically,
I am for it...with conditions....

[Orest]

I don't believe in all that. Just think if there were no religion on earth. What would the evening new have to report about?

Won't be any church burnings in the south. And how about Ireland?

Am not looking to start a war of words, just that to me religion gets in the way, way to often.

[Talapia]

Not at all, and think gay couples have much love and can and do raise children in a good atmosphere, and with your statement, if that was true and thought "unnatural", then I would oppose heterosexual couples due to infertility or medical reasons from adopting or the whole invitro fertilization thing. After all, maybe "God" made conception impossible, so why if that couple or this couple, since they cannot have children "naturally" be place aboved others, because they are "straight"? :rolleyes:

And for the record, I feel that there is something that makes one fall "in love" with someone, as I have been lucky enough to have done, I don't really believe it is a "learned trait", so who am I to condemn. Civil marriage would be okay, if and when they change the term marriage, from meaning man and woman, to two people in love, but religously no, wouldn't work, so, maybe I am two sided.

Have Jeep will travel :D

I hear you Shaggy. Keeping in mind that I
am not slamming or judging anybody. I
respect everyone's right to live as they
see fit. I actually strongly support that
right.;) These are my opinions which are
just as valid and or wrong (however you
want to take them) as anyone else's.
Let me try to explain my use of the term
"natural". It has nothing to do with the
terms used...such as "gay" or "straight",
but has everything to do with something
being "broken" and something not being
"broken". If a person breaks
his arm then it is broke...it does not work
anymore. But at one point it worked.
Well my point was that with a homosexual
couple...two men or two woman, the
option of having children aint broke...it was
just never meant to be, where as in the
other case, it was meant to work that way
but for some physical reason it is not.
To me there is a difference.

[Talapia]

I don't believe in all that. Just think if there were no religion on earth. What would the evening new have to report about?

Won't be any church burnings in the south. And how about Ireland?

Am not looking to start a war of words, just that to me religion gets in the way, way to often.

Orest, good discussion is why I am here...;)
I guess that you are saying that you don't
believe in god? That is fine. I support your
right not to believe in god. I defend your
right to believe or not believe in whatever
you want. You asked me if I was for or
against homesexuals being able to adopt
and I gave you my answer. Apparently
you do not like my answer. Well it is
what it is.

[Orest]

No problem here. To each his/her own ways. That what makes for some great discussion and some wars.

[shaggy]

I am with you here T, this so far has been a very "civil" thread, and hopefully stays that way. Beats some of the braid/nonbraid threads I have read. Everyone does have the right to believe what they want, as you said, and "gay" couples believe that is okay. Problem is, and to a point I agree with previous post where religion can and will interfere with judgement, but that doesn't neccessarily make ones opinions wrong.

Unfortunately I don't know how to seperate ones religous beliefs, from ones "rights, form socially accepted ideals. Me, to each his own, I believe what I want to believe, I won't preach, and won't be expecting to be preached to.

Have Jeep will travel :D

[Talapia]

I am with you here T, this so far has been a very "civil" thread, and hopefully stays that way. Beats some of the braid/nonbraid threads I have read. Everyone does have the right to believe what they want, as you said, and "gay" couples believe that is okay. Problem is, and to a point I agree with previous post where religion can and will interfere with judgement, but that doesn't neccessarily make ones opinions wrong.

Unfortunately I don't know how to seperate ones religous beliefs, from ones "rights, form socially accepted ideals. Me, to each his own, I believe what I want to believe, I won't preach, and won't be expecting to be preached to.

Have Jeep will travel :D

Shaggy, I would not get too hung up on
the religion aspect of the debate. All beliefs come from someplace. Most from our
parents, some from friends, or family.
Now where did they get their beliefs from?
Does the fact that it came from the bible
and not from another source mean that
you are more or less closed minded than
anybody else? I do not think so. By
definition a belief is something that is
firmly held. And something that is not
easily changed. A person who has never
heard of religion will have just as many
biases/beliefs as anybody else. Trying
to separate who you are/what you believe
from your decision making process is
a lesson in frustration.

[NTKG]

But the question is are you for it or against it? I am for it. I think most people let their religious beliefs get in the way. And it should have nothing to do with the issue.


I want to first off say that I am very happy to see that this thread is civil, so id like to keep it that way, but i feel like you mean that if i keep my religion at hand it handicaps my ability to make a rational decision.

anyone in the social work field understands the issues that plague it, and by and large most public systems in this country, regardless of religious feelings.

if we picked a random religion and took those values maybe we wouldnt have all the politicians rob us or leave the common man with no way to make a real difference. i dont know of any religion that says you shouldnt love, shouldnt kill, shouldnt cheat, shouldnt be nice.

maybe whats wrong with this country now is that we're all too afraid to that we have to make decisions like we're all stuck in a lab, my religion influences my actions.... i dont steal not because i cant or because i think i'll get caught, i dont steal bc i find it morally wrong... i think more people in this country could stand for a stronger moral belief.

i dont know when this country became so PC that it became offensive to even have a religious preference. i have one, i like it, and it influences me like it should.

again, im happy this thread is civil.

[rattler]

if they are good people...let them adopt...religion has nothing to do with it...can they raise this child...i have yet to be in,have one, or meet a "perfect" family...i have known some people that have been through the "system"...some have made it...and some have not...jmho

[jjaachapa]

Well heres my take on the whole thing. I'm not gay so I'll keep my comments and believes here at home.
That doesn't mean that people shouldn't express their own. Thats what this country is all about. It's just that I was thought some where along the line to live and let live.
The only thing I will say is that if one of my children turn out being gay is that I would have to LOVE them twice as much to make up for the hate that other people would show.
Chapa

[JayCamx23]

first of all, i dont have any problems with gay people. i dont think i know any in person but from what ive read here it sounds like they are really nice people, as all people should be. if they are gay, whether being born like that or choosing to be or whatever, im cool with it.

yes, they should be allowed to adopt children, and yes, only after straight couples have had their choice. lets face it, naturally, gay people cant have children physically. so it is not what mother nature had in mind. being a christian i could say what God had in mind, but i am going to leave religion completely out of this. gay people should be accepted by society. if its not you thats gay, what do you care? just accept them. if u cant, well then your just wasting your time.

one thing that i think has to be said for this is the children themselves. how would an elementary school student feel if he/she was ever put in a position where they had to mention/confess or whatever that they had 2 fathers, or one acting mother. me being in high school and knowing how cliqueie kids in elementary and middle school are, how would u handle it? i can garruntee you that that kid would get trashed on to tears by other kids. sure there are kids out there who can understand that its not the kids fault. but there are the insecure ones who have to make fun of you. this kid will have to go through an entire childhood of this, and its not his fault. its not fair to the kid to be made fun of because of something he has no control of, and thinks its normal until he finds that everyone else has a true mother and father. how left out would you feel? i know i sure wouldnt want to be in that position

once again i have no problem with gay people. the focus should not be on whether or not they should be allowed to get married, but the focus should be on the children they are adopting.

I'm not gay so I'll keep my comments and believes here at home too

[Shooter]

As the song says "Ya got to stand for something or ya will fall for anything"
I have been sitting here bitting my tongue trying to stay out of this but my old core family values have kicked me in the butt and somethings just have to be stood up for.
I do not hate anyone so don't even go there but being Gay is just plain wrong not only from a Christian stand point but from a point of Nature. It doesn't matter if you believe in God or if you think you came from a monkey, it takes a man and a woman to create life. Two men can't make life nor can two women, it takes a man and a women so that proves even in nature children are suppose to be raised by a man and a woman to learn from both sides of the human nature.
I keep hearing how wonderful and touchy feely everything in life is but we have gotten away out basic core values that made us so great and just one of this is Hornor thy Father and thy Mother not Little Johhny has two dads or my mom and her life partner.
I know we will never go back to "Leave it to Beaver" but just where is to far, Hi this is my dad and his life partner Wooly,,, oh yea by the way Wooly is a sheep,,, go ahead and laugh there are people trying to get laws passed that a man can marry a animal :(

[RedskinFan228]

My thougts on a gay couple adopting I say NO. I do not care how someone wants to live there life I am not anti or pro gay. To each there own but 1) do not push your beleifs on me same goes for religion. That should be left to each individule and not forced upon one another. This is why I hate those that come to my door preaching thier form of religion...,why I also beleive that there should always be a seperation of church and state. Now the adoption thing I do not beleive that a child shoould be raised by a gay couple until he can make his.her own decisions about life. They will be raised in an environment that says being gay is normal and it is not I am sorry. The child will be having someone elses beleifs forced upon them because thay are to young to form thier own opinion on the matter. They are more apt to turn out gay than those raised in a hetrosexual relationship because they were raised that way and beleive it is natural. JMHO and you asked for it :D :D :D

As for assisted suicide I am all for it. It should be up to the individule what he/she wants to do with there life. As long as they are of sound mind and of legal age then who are we to prevent them from ending thier life. I was all for Dr.Jack.

[Rockstar]

I think that if any responsible couple is able to provide emotional and financial support.. then fine. What is the big deal with gay couples and religion nowadays? I don't mean to offend anyone, but people have been using religion since it's creation to explain things that science can't... and in this case, a logical ethnical answer. I'm not gay... my girl and child can tell yah that, but i've had gay friends, and also work with several gay people... most of which are great people, who've never pushed there beliefs on me (or tried to hit on me), and from what I understand have perfectly healthy relationships with there partners. Who is to say, what is right and wrong when it comes to something such as sexual preference and love? What if someone told you your relationship with your wife and child was wrong? Hell, my girl is black... whats Jesus gotta say about that? I say whatever floats your boat, it's 2006 people. "This world is ran by love, and nothing more..."

And about being wrong in nature, anyone remember the pair of gay penguins? It's not wrong in nature, it's just socially unacceptable to society.

[Talapia]

Well, we have had some answers supporting
each side of the debate. Now let me play
devils advocate....a good question
was raised by Orest earlier...for those
who are against gay couples adopting,
are you saying that you would rather
have a foster child go from home to home
rather than getting adopted by a gay couple?:cool:

[Orest]

Am impressed with all the replies and individual here.:)

I am also a supporter of Dr. Jack. What the country put Michael & Terri Schiavo through was wrong.

[MANDINGO]

For Gay Marriages Or Adoption Period. Its Wrong Period. I Recall Reading About Adam And Eve In The Bible Not Adam And Steve Or Geneveve And Eve. Im Not Homophobic Either Im Just Down Right Old Fashioned And Honest With Good Morals And Values. Im Not Gonna Change Because Some People Say Its Ok And Want To Accept What We Know Is Wrong.
As Far As Adoption I Strongly Disagree. Our Children Are Our Greatest Asset. They Are Also Highly Influened By What They Hear And See. Especially What They See Their Parents Do. They Emmulate Everything Big Or Small. Now If A Young Child Raised In That Type Of Setting Just Cannot Be Healthy For A Childs Development.also One Must Take Into Consideration Other Children Can Be Down Right Cruel At School, Playground Etc. I Wouldnt Want To Put A Child Through That. I Understand They Need A Home But Not At That Expense. What Kind Of Couseling Can Give You Back Your Childhood? None The Last Time I Checked. The Solution Is Simple If You Want Kids That Badly I Say Do What Got You Here. It Worked For Your Parents.
As For Assisted Suicide Im In The Oncology Field So Im Close With This Daily. I Understand Not Wanting To Die Suffering, But Again We Cant Go Against What We Know Is Wrong. Murder Is Murder And We Must Stop Bending The Rules To Make Them Fit The Situation. I Personally Dont Wanna Suffer But I Want To Have Eternal Life With God In The Next. Now Let Me Throw One At You. As A Proud American Y Must I Be Asked English Or Spanish? There Shouldnt Even Be That Question Or Should It? I Say No. Simply Because Our Language Here Is English Just Like Our Constitution. I Know Ill Probably Catch Hell For My Views But Everyone Else Said Their .02 Cents So Here Is Mine. ;)

[fisherkid]

For Gay Marriages Or Adoption Period. Its Wrong Period. I Recall Reading About Adam And Eve In The Bible Not Adam And Steve Or Geneveve And Eve. Im Not Homophobic Either Im Just Down Right Old Fashioned And Honest With Good Morals And Values. Im Not Gonna Change Because Some People Say Its Ok And Want To Accept What We Know Is Wrong.
As Far As Adoption I Strongly Disagree. Our Children Are Our Greatest Asset. They Are Also Highly Influened By What They Hear And See. Especially What They See Their Parents Do. They Emmulate Everything Big Or Small. Now If A Young Child Raised In That Type Of Setting Just Cannot Be Healthy For A Childs Development.also One Must Take Into Consideration Other Children Can Be Down Right Cruel At School, Playground Etc. I Wouldnt Want To Put A Child Through That. I Understand They Need A Home But Not At That Expense. What Kind Of Couseling Can Give You Back Your Childhood? None The Last Time I Checked. The Solution Is Simple If You Want Kids That Badly I Say Do What Got You Here. It Worked For Your Parents.
As For Assisted Suicide Im In The Oncology Field So Im Close With This Daily. I Understand Not Wanting To Die Suffering, But Again We Cant Go Against What We Know Is Wrong. Murder Is Murder And We Must Stop Bending The Rules To Make Them Fit The Situation. I Personally Dont Wanna Suffer But I Want To Have Eternal Life With God In The Next. Now Let Me Throw One At You. As A Proud American Y Must I Be Asked English Or Spanish? There Shouldnt Even Be That Question Or Should It? I Say No. Simply Because Our Language Here Is English Just Like Our Constitution. I Know Ill Probably Catch Hell For My Views But Everyone Else Said Their .02 Cents So Here Is Mine. ;)
No hell from me. Agree completly

[MANDINGO]

For Gay Marriages Or Adoption Period. Its Wrong Period. I Recall Reading About Adam And Eve In The Bible Not Adam And Steve Or Geneveve And Eve. Im Not Homophobic Either Im Just Down Right Old Fashioned And Honest With Good Morals And Values. Im Not Gonna Change Because Some People Say Its Ok And Want To Accept What We Know Is Wrong.
As Far As Adoption I Strongly Disagree. Our Children Are Our Greatest Asset. They Are Also Highly Influened By What They Hear And See. Especially What They See Their Parents Do. They Emmulate Everything Big Or Small. Now If A Young Child Raised In That Type Of Setting Just Cannot Be Healthy For A Childs Development.also One Must Take Into Consideration Other Children Can Be Down Right Cruel At School, Playground Etc. I Wouldnt Want To Put A Child Through That. I Understand They Need A Home But Not At That Expense. What Kind Of Couseling Can Give You Back Your Childhood? None The Last Time I Checked. The Solution Is Simple If You Want Kids That Badly I Say Do What Got You Here. It Worked For Your Parents.
As For Assisted Suicide Im In The Oncology Field So Im Close With This Daily. I Understand Not Wanting To Die Suffering, But Again We Cant Go Against What We Know Is Wrong. Murder Is Murder And We Must Stop Bending The Rules To Make Them Fit The Situation. I Personally Dont Wanna Suffer But I Want To Have Eternal Life With God In The Next. Now Let Me Throw One At You. As A Proud American Y Must I Be Asked English Or Spanish? There Shouldnt Even Be That Question Or Should It? I Say No. Simply Because Our Language Here Is English Just Like Our Constitution. I Know Ill Probably Catch Hell For My Views But Everyone Else Said Their .02 Cents So Here Is Mine. ;)

[Talapia]

For Gay Marriages Or Adoption Period. Its Wrong Period. I Recall Reading About Adam And Eve In The Bible Not Adam And Steve Or Geneveve And Eve. Im Not Homophobic Either Im Just Down Right Old Fashioned And Honest With Good Morals And Values. Im Not Gonna Change Because Some People Say Its Ok And Want To Accept What We Know Is Wrong.
As Far As Adoption I Strongly Disagree. Our Children Are Our Greatest Asset. They Are Also Highly Influened By What They Hear And See. Especially What They See Their Parents Do. They Emmulate Everything Big Or Small. Now If A Young Child Raised In That Type Of Setting Just Cannot Be Healthy For A Childs Development.also One Must Take Into Consideration Other Children Can Be Down Right Cruel At School, Playground Etc. I Wouldnt Want To Put A Child Through That. I Understand They Need A Home But Not At That Expense. What Kind Of Couseling Can Give You Back Your Childhood? None The Last Time I Checked. The Solution Is Simple If You Want Kids That Badly I Say Do What Got You Here. It Worked For Your Parents.
As For Assisted Suicide Im In The Oncology Field So Im Close With This Daily. I Understand Not Wanting To Die Suffering, But Again We Cant Go Against What We Know Is Wrong. Murder Is Murder And We Must Stop Bending The Rules To Make Them Fit The Situation. I Personally Dont Wanna Suffer But I Want To Have Eternal Life With God In The Next. Now Let Me Throw One At You. As A Proud American Y Must I Be Asked English Or Spanish? There Shouldnt Even Be That Question Or Should It? I Say No. Simply Because Our Language Here Is English Just Like Our Constitution. I Know Ill Probably Catch Hell For My Views But Everyone Else Said Their .02 Cents So Here Is Mine. ;)

Please keep in mind that it is wrong to you.
I know you are basing it on the bible. That
is fine. The problem comes around when
you say, "this is what I believe, and therefore
I expect you to believe the same thing".
You have just gone from practicing your
own beliefs to trying to impose them on
someone else. I am not saying you are wrong,
I am just saying that I do not feel we have
the right to tell someone else how they
should live their lives.....unless they ask
for help.;)

[Orest]

So where does pet owners who Euthanize their pets fall? Murders or is Euthanize your pets different?

Since Adam and Eve have been mentioned. It brings up the teaching of evolution in sceince classes in school.

It's funny that as kids growing up we don't always ask the right questioning and for sure are not given the correct answer from out peers. Sure I went to church when I was younger cause my parents went; and when I was told God created Adam and then created Eve from Adam side to give Adam a mate. I don't even remember what my reaction was or if I asked any questions about it. I know how I feel know about it. And to me Darwin Theory of Evolution makes more sense to me. I wonder if Darwin went to church as a child and was taught in Bible school about God, Adam and Eve.

And what about this Big Bang theroy?

[MANDINGO]

Please keep in mind that it is wrong to you.
I know you are basing it on the bible. That
is fine. The problem comes around when
you say, "this is what I believe, and therefore
I expect you to believe the same thing".
You have just gone from practicing your
own beliefs to trying to impose them on
someone else. I am not saying you are wrong,
I am just saying that I do not feel we have
the right to tell someone else how they
should live their lives.....unless they ask
for help.;)
BUT IF ITS SO OK WHY BE SO SECRETIVE, ASHAMED ETC. ITS A WORLDWIDE TABOO. IVE READ WHERE SOME CULTURES DEATH IS THE PUNISHMENT. ACCEPTANCE BECAUSE ITS BECOMING MORE COMMON DOESNT MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE . IS THAT BETTER . AS I SAID NOT TRYING TO OFFEND.

[Talapia]

BUT IF ITS SO OK WHY BE SO SECRETIVE, ASHAMED ETC. ITS A WORLDWIDE TABOO. IVE READ WHERE SOME CULTURES DEATH IS THE PUNISHMENT. ACCEPTANCE BECAUSE ITS BECOMING MORE COMMON DOESNT MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE . IS THAT BETTER . AS I SAID NOT TRYING TO OFFEND.

Well I think it is more of a catch 22 for them.
If they "come" out then we all say why
do you have to throw it in eveybody's face?
Why don't you just go about your buisness
and keep your personal life to yourself.
If they do not say anything then we say
they were trying to hide it and be secretive.
That is why there is such a stigma to it.

[Orest]

about alot of things. Being treated for Depression for one. Why? Cause we were rasised to believe people who are not just like you are different and we treat them differently. We won't born that way. We got that from our good old parents.

[MANDINGO]

Well I think it is more of a catch 22 for them.
If they "come" out then we all say why
do you have to throw it in eveybody's face?
Why don't you just go about your buisness
and keep your personal life to yourself.
If they do not saJHJy anything then we say
they were trying to hide it and be secretive.
That is why there is such a stigma to it.PUT TAP;)

[Blloyd]

If someone is gay, straight, white, black, brown, bisexual (sorry, had to throw that one in there), married or unmarried and they meet the proper qualifications to be a good parent, then why hold them back? Would have to agree with earlier post about criticism that children may receive as the result, but a good parent would help their child overcome.
What would God really think if a gay person adopted a homeless, innocent child?

[Talapia]

If someone is gay, straight, white, black, brown, bisexual (sorry, had to throw that one in there), married or unmarried and they meet the proper qualifications to be a good parent, then why hold them back? Would have to agree with earlier post about criticism that children may receive as the result, but a good parent would help their child overcome.
What would God really think if a gay person adopted a homeless, innocent child?

Well since you decided to bring god into the
mix with your question....I think he would
say that you have someone who is living
a life "outside" of christ i.e. not a wholesome
life, and that the childs future is put into
jeopardy because he is now brought into
that unwholesome environment....you asked.

[NTKG]

about alot of things. Being treated for Depression for one. Why? Cause we were rasised to believe people who are not just like you are different and we treat them differently. We won't born that way. We got that from our good old parents.


well if you believe in survival of the fittest.... and that theory, those who are mentally ill, fat, slower, smaller, less strong are weaker and therefore are doing us as a people a disservice by reproducing and passing along those genes.

that would go for anyone with cancer, diabetes, downs, hell, even erectile disfunction, if people believe in evolution, and want to be strictly scientific, we should not try and help these people as all they are doing is making us weaker

[Talapia]

well if you believe in survival of the fittest.... and that theory, those who are mentally ill, fat, slower, smaller, less strong are weaker and therefore are doing us as a people a disservice by reproducing and passing along those genes.

that would go for anyone with cancer, diabetes, downs, hell, even erectile disfunction, if people believe in evolution, and want to be strictly scientific, we should not try and help these people as all they are doing is making us weaker

Now that is very interesting....disturbing to a certain degree, but
interesting.

[NTKG]

So where does pet owners who Euthanize their pets fall? Murders or is Euthanize your pets different?

Since Adam and Eve have been mentioned. It brings up the teaching of evolution in sceince classes in school.

It's funny that as kids growing up we don't always ask the right questioning and for sure are not given the correct answer from out peers. Sure I went to church when I was younger cause my parents went; and when I was told God created Adam and then created Eve from Adam side to give Adam a mate. I don't even remember what my reaction was or if I asked any questions about it. I know how I feel know about it. And to me Darwin Theory of Evolution makes more sense to me. I wonder if Darwin went to church as a child and was taught in Bible school about God, Adam and Eve.

And what about this Big Bang theroy?


assisted suicide... yea, if they are terminally ill, and are GOING to die, if they are unable to do it themselves, i mean i dont see a legal issue in the correct amount of paperwork etc.... before its done, do i agree with it, no not really, but i wouldnt condemn someone for it. how do my religious beliefs come into play? well i dont think its a good thing, but i think its just as bad to make someone suffer for no reason.


as far as the THEORY of evolution, it doesnt really pan out yet. if you want to take into consideration that for this theory to really be plausible, we would need intermediary fossil evidence to support it. to this date we have none, we have no recorded evidence saying that there was any specie that left water to become a land creature. at all... yea i know someone who doesnt know how to read is going to say but it was a fluke accident and then that one reproduced... it doesnt work that way(if you follow the rules of evolution) it is a GRADUAL mutation that allows for different species to come out.... so out of all those species of variation we have not one case of fossil evidence stating that it ever happened.... unless somethings happened since i graduated.

[MANDINGO]

Well since you decided to bring god into the
mix with your question....I think he would
say that you have someone who is living
a life "outside" of christ i.e. not a wholesome
life, and that the childs future is put into
jeopardy because he is now brought into
that unwholesome environment....you asked.
thats it exactly. unwholesome environment isnt good at all;)

[NTKG]

Now that is very interesting....disturbing to a certain degree, but
interesting.


well i was just bringing it to light. i mean he said that he believes in evolution.... so that would mean just that. only us strong should survive, so if i see someone elderly who is trying to walk out of the door with her walker(this happened today at lunch) instead of helping her get out and moving chairs i should just sit there and not do anything and she is never going to impact me, and if anytihng is just taking up space since she can no longer reproduce and is in competition for my food source. everyone in a hospital should ahve to worry that someone would come in there and kill them in their weakened state. fat people, and those that are diseased are weak, and i would not want to mate with someone like that incase it might make my offspring weaker.... (but i like young skinny hot chicks anyway......)

the point is, id hate to think that i live the way i do, and bottom line im an animal and i ahve no spiritual life... if so i guess i should be a basturd and look out after number one, but i believe my life and my spiritual life outweighs this existance times a kajillion.

whats worse? lets imagine it this way, if we do live in a world stemmed from evolution, we are no longer creatures that live as nomads, we dont need to get food, we can all buy food. so what becomes the thing that women can gain from partnering with men? what is the thing that separates each of us men, our ability to provide... so basically this day in age, instead of food, its money... so basically we need to be pretty(so that we can attract mates), have money(to provide), and be able to physically reproduce....(well minus the money part that is impossible cause even HAT80 has a wife and he damn sure aint pretty, and well we all know he needs the little blue guys for help**lol :) so basically if your not handsome or rich and are in perfect health, you should give up at life?????

"i fear technology has surpased our humanity"

[shaggy]

Well damn, all kinds of ifs and buts here. Me still think same sex partners can be and are good role models, and if the kid gets a teasing, well am sure with the parents' life expeiences can help the child deal with it. How long were black treated unfairly, and think for the most they can be and are good parents and role models, just at one time society said they were inferior, and they were not socially accepted as people. Now, don't want to get into the "race card" thing because it is thrown up to often by all races.

Have a friend (older guy in his late sixties) came in from England, and apparently at one time it was REQUIRED to learn English to become a citizen. Hell, I don't want to look at a screen that says English press here, Espaniol, you get my drift.

As for how God would feel if a same sex relationship took a child out of foster care, or state funded boaring school because the child couldn't be adopted, me would hope and pray He was all for it.

Also, have a godson/nephew with Downs Syndrome, and gotta say, they are some of the most loving non-judgemental people on this earth, we ALL could use some of that wisdom.

What the hell is next, Republicans saying Democrats would be unfit parents because of thier political views, Or Demacrats doing the same to Republicans? Or worse case scenerio, one parent a Republican, the other a Democrat, who would "force thier will" on the child most, and what problems would that child suffer, talk about confused, poor kid would probably be an "Independent" with no direction the rest of his or her life.

Have Jeep will travel :D

[Shooter]

Since the topic has floated a bit let me ask this question. Why is it ok for them to burn up my body and then sprinkle my ashes over the water and charge my family tons of bucks and not OK to just toss my old carcus over board and feed the creatures I have caught and eatten so many times. And no usen me for CHUM ya nuts.

[NTKG]

shaggy roger that man... i wonder about that all the time, the gf and i talk about it all the time, shes a demy, im a gun toter, she doesnt believe in god, ima church goer, she lieks cats, i eat them and like dogs better... geez my kids gonna be confused....

[shaggy]

shaggy roger that man... i wonder about that all the time, the gf and i talk about it all the time, shes a demy, im a gun toter, she doesnt believe in god, ima church goer, she lieks cats, i eat them and like dogs better... geez my kids gonna be confused....


Don't have kids, they will just end up confused, misguided, less than loved, no role models to look up to, probably gun toters who couldn't pull the trigger, wasting thier time fishing, and for what, an elusive striper?

Why bother, this country, and the worl apparently is going to hell in a handbasket, so why subject children to such hypocracy and the eventual armageddon that is soon to doom us?

Or worse, they become disgruntled fishermen/women, with confused minds, no soul, and no views of their own, only thoughts catch fish.

Have Jeep will travel :D

[MANDINGO]

shaggy roger that man... i wonder about that all the time, the gf and i talk about it all the time, shes a demy, im a gun toter, she doesnt believe in god, ima church goer, she lieks cats, i eat them and like dogs better... geez my kids gonna be confused....
NOW THAT WAS FUNNY.......ESPECIALLY YOU EAT CATS....PETA GONNA BE LOOKING FOR YOU:D :D ;)

[Talapia]

Dang, I leave for a few minutes to get
some work done and now we are talking
about eating cats.....:D :D :D

[MANDINGO]

Dang, I leave for a few minutes to get
some work done and now we are talking
about eating cats.....:D :D :D
THESE HAVE MADE THIS SLOW AFTERNOON @ WRK FLY BY:D :D :D :D :D :D

[Orest]

Platoon Sgt. and had a German Shapard recon dog, they got to some village and the village people ate his dog.:eek:

[SeaSalt]

Platoon Sgt. and had a German Shapard recon dog, they got to some village and the village people ate his dog.:eek:

haa haa... thats too funny. on behalf of democratic people of korea, I apologize. :) Its funny because in korea, there usually are two types of dogs, one kept as pets and the rest... pets are not eaten... dog meat is better than horse meat though...

I use to see really brutal dog fights when I was back there... those dogs were crazy... have you ever seen korean national dog called Jin-do? I think its banned here in america now but there are some here. My father in law has one and had puppies. Unknowning caucasian neighbors wanted to adopt one and they took it. Jin-do's need very strict disciplinary training and needs to be shown who the alpha male is. I guess they raised it like a golden retreiver, one day it had them in a corner of room with his teeth growling at them... after that incident they took him to the shelter...

[chris storrs]

had to bring this up....i saw a show on comedy central and a comedian brought up gay mirriage and gay rights

....he said that god doest hate gay men but.......he said that god made humans and he made it so that wemon had to deal with periods....and men had to deal with women.....he said that god is just frusterated with gay men because they found a loop-hole in his system....

but more to the topic....i know a gay couple who has a child....they love the kid....i see nothing wrong with anyone adopting a kid as long as they are financially able to care for it and are fit to care for a child....and have love for the child...

[Orest]

accept your apology.:)

Yes I have seen pic of the dog, looks like a nice dog. Some dogs need to be put in their place or they will take off the house. I have one dog that needs a reminder now and then, that I am the boss and not him.

[MANDINGO]

Platoon Sgt. and had a German Shapard recon dog, they got to some village and the village people ate his dog.:eek:
PUTS A NEW MEANING ON DOG GONE FUNNY..LOL:D

[NTKG]

yeah i seen a coupla them jin-do-kaes... i have a sheppard pit mix and my dad looks at it and tells me its the sorriest little girl he's ever seen. he asked if i was the one who had to protect it if the house gets broken into... them dogs are something else

[RuddeDogg]

Think it's a good idea at all.

[Railroader]

Allowing homos to adopt children is a bad idea.

Period.

Polish it up any way you like, it puts children in an un-natural situation that they have no business having to explain or understand.....

[johnnyleo11]

I remember seeing someone in the thread said that if a child were to be brought up in a two parent household in which both parents were of the same sex, they would be more likely to be the same. What supporting arguements are there to that to make it ring true? I wish figuring out someone's psyche as they were growing up would be such an exact science, but it's not.

Someone else brought up a valid point about a child with same sex parents going to school and having to "explain" that they have two mothers or fathers to the other children and then soon getting mocked. Yeah, that will happen, but that will make that kid tough and hopefully, a very resilient and strong person.

I guess I had something similar when I was growing up. I was mocked a bit by some classmates in the third or fourth grade (about the time we start seeing differences in ourselves and others) because I had parents of two different races. I didn't see my father as white and mother as yellow until I was told my parents were different. I probably wouldn't have known the difference until a couple of years down the line hadn't I been mocked. I always thought I was an Asian/ Pac Islander b/c that is what I was told to put down on standardized test forms. Mind you now, most forms allow you to put more than one race down. Only now I think this is absurd b/c we have to classify who we are from what we came out of the womb as and not as who we flourish to be. I have buddies that are as white as Don Knotts but are classified as African American and accept that they are. They just happened to have emigrated from South Africa and Namibia.

I think we're too set in our ways in thinking that there are only two opposing views to everything. We only have two major political parties. Everything racially is either white or minority. Why don't we understand that we're a culmination of everything that's better than average of what every culture has to offer and respect it for what it is.

Now I'm not sure if you're born straight or gay or situations in life make you straight or gay, but if it's deemed that you were born gay, does it mean that you will be known to have a birth defect and will you be able to recieve benefits from the government be it local or federal to support you for the rest of your life?

Yeah, a child with two dads or moms might be raised differently than how I grew up, but every other kid in the neighborhood is going to grow up a little different than me. There never was a guarantee that you were ever going to grow up "normal," whatever that is, or had a choice of who your parents were going to be. Hopefully the parents you have are going to love you and respect you for what you are, a living creature.

And for Shaggy going to a "gay" bar at Fells Point and stating your friend proclomated "if you're going to f#%@ with him, you're going to have to f#%@ with me first," what would have happened if they did f#%@ with the both of you? I'm not trying to bust your balls, but I'm curious as why that would even need to be exclaimed. Hopefully you would only be going in to a decent establishment with decent patrons to request decent service. I've been hit on a couple of times by dudes, but I just say I'm not about that and it's dead at that. I guess it's the same as me hitting on a pretty lady and me getting shut down b/c I'm not her type. Now if I keep pesking her, yeah, I think I might what's behind door number 3 and get hosed down by some spray or be asked to leave from some big dude at the door before I get tossed out. Now if some guy incessantly hit on me, I would too of course become irritated.

Life is easier when you treat people as individuals. And I think if the parents are "qualified" by an adoption agency, then they should be able to adopt. It's not difficult for gay couples to find a surrogate parent, male or female.

I had a coworker in Washington, DC who was unable to conceive with his wife. This guy is a top notch guy and I would call him Mr. Rogers b/c he was just that kind of guy. Okay, he also wore his Air Force cardigan at work too. But he and his wife had such a hard time ensuring the adoption agency that they were qualified as ept parents. He didn't understand why it was so hard and there were people who didn't have problems conceiving and were doing it irresponsibly with no concern for the child. If the parents are good people, the child will not suffer.

[Talapia]

I remember seeing someone in the thread said that if a child were to be brought up in a two parent household in which both parents were of the same sex, they would be more likely to be the same. What supporting arguements are there to that to make it ring true? I wish figuring out someone's psyche as they were growing up would be such an exact science, but it's not.

Someone else brought up a valid point about a child with same sex parents going to school and having to "explain" that they have two mothers or fathers to the other children and then soon getting mocked. Yeah, that will happen, but that will make that kid tough and hopefully, a very resilient and strong person.

I guess I had something similar when I was growing up. I was mocked a bit by some classmates in the third or fourth grade (about the time we start seeing differences in ourselves and others) because I had parents of two different races. I didn't see my father as white and mother as yellow until I was told my parents were different. I probably wouldn't have known the difference until a couple of years down the line hadn't I been mocked. I always thought I was an Asian/ Pac Islander b/c that is what I was told to put down on standardized test forms. Mind you now, most forms allow you to put more than one race down. Only now I think this is absurd b/c we have to classify who we are from what we came out of the womb as and not as who we flourish to be. I have buddies that are as white as Don Knotts but are classified as African American and accept that they are. They just happened to have emigrated from South Africa and Namibia.

I think we're too set in our ways in thinking that there are only two opposing views to everything. We only have two major political parties. Everything racially is either white or minority. Why don't we understand that we're a culmination of everything that's better than average of what every culture has to offer and respect it for what it is.

Now I'm not sure if you're born straight or gay or situations in life make you straight or gay, but if it's deemed that you were born gay, does it mean that you will be known to have a birth defect and will you be able to recieve benefits from the government be it local or federal to support you for the rest of your life?

Yeah, a child with two dads or moms might be raised differently than how I grew up, but every other kid in the neighborhood is going to grow up a little different than me. There never was a guarantee that you were ever going to grow up "normal," whatever that is, or had a choice of who your parents were going to be. Hopefully the parents you have are going to love you and respect you for what you are, a living creature.

And for Shaggy going to a "gay" bar at Fells Point and stating your friend proclomated "if you're going to f#%@ with him, you're going to have to f#%@ with me first," what would have happened if they did f#%@ with the both of you? I'm not trying to bust your balls, but I'm curious as why that would even need to be exclaimed. Hopefully you would only be going in to a decent establishment with decent patrons to request decent service. I've been hit on a couple of times by dudes, but I just say I'm not about that and it's dead at that. I guess it's the same as me hitting on a pretty lady and me getting shut down b/c I'm not her type. Now if I keep pesking her, yeah, I think I might what's behind door number 3 and get hosed down by some spray or be asked to leave from some big dude at the door before I get tossed out. Now if some guy incessantly hit on me, I would too of course become irritated.

Life is easier when you treat people as individuals. And I think if the parents are "qualified" by an adoption agency, then they should be able to adopt. It's not difficult for gay couples to find a surrogate parent, male or female.

I had a coworker in Washington, DC who was unable to conceive with his wife. This guy is a top notch guy and I would call him Mr. Rogers b/c he was just that kind of guy. Okay, he also wore his Air Force cardigan at work too. But he and his wife had such a hard time ensuring the adoption agency that they were qualified as ept parents. He didn't understand why it was so hard and there were people who didn't have problems conceiving and were doing it irresponsibly with no concern for the child. If the parents are good people, the child will not suffer.

Great post...I think that part of the problem
in the US is that most couples who want
to adopt insist on a newborn...there
are thousands of kids out there sitting
in foster homes who are desperately in
need of a loving home. I can guarantee
you that these 5-14 year olds are not
hard to adopt at all. It makes me sick
to see all of these stories about people
flying all the way to China or Russia
and paying 10 or 20 thousand dollars to
get a newborn baby when there are kids
in thier own town who go from foster
home to foster home.

[RedskinFan228]

I have read all your posts and bottom line in my opinion is it is WRONG. Period. To put a young child in that unnatural and it is unnatural environment is wrong. Now if they want to adopt a 12-18 yr old that can understand the situation and make thier own decision then OK (still wrong but they made the decision)

A child raised that way will more than likely turn out gay sorry but that is what i beleive.

As for johnnyleo Someone else brought up a valid point about a child with same sex parents going to school and having to "explain" that they have two mothers or fathers to the other children and then soon getting mocked. Yeah, that will happen, but that will make that kid tough and hopefully, a very resilient and strong person.

I disagree here yea they may end up tough or they may end up a scared chuckin sh-t that cant or wont defend thereselves and jsut be a bigger target for all those ahole bullies that are out there. Or they will end up some kind of serial killer/rapist. There is documented evidence that kids who are picked on and ridiculed thier whole life can become disfunctional and socialpathic. They end up with no feelings and no morals. Or they eventually snap and end up shootong the bully.

I say that a child should be raised in a good loving man/woman environment. If god (sorry i had to bring religion into this i tried not to) Ok if a gay couple was ment to have children then they would be able to procreate on thier own (barring a medical condition) They cant for a reason. Sorry but that is how I feel about it. As I said in my earlier post to each his own until they try to push their beleifs on me or mine or on someone that cannot make a decision for their self i.e. a young child. I am done here. Please save our children they are the greatest resource that the world has. Raise them right and protect them. They are our future.

[MANDINGO]

I have read all your posts and bottom line in my opinion is it is WRONG. Period. To put a young child in that unnatural and it is unnatural environment is wrong. Now if they want to adopt a 12-18 yr old that can understand the situation and make thier own decision then OK (still wrong but they made the decision)

A child raised that way will more than likely turn out gay sorry but that is what i beleive.

As for johnnyleo

I disagree here yea they may end up tough or they may end up a scared chuckin sh-t that cant or wont defend thereselves and jsut be a bigger target for all those ahole bullies that are out there. Or they will end up some kind of serial killer/rapist. There is documented evidence that kids who are picked on and ridiculed thier whole life can become disfunctional and socialpathic. They end up with no feelings and no morals. Or they eventually snap and end up shootong the bully.

I say that a child should be raised in a good loving man/woman environment. If god (sorry i had to bring religion into this i tried not to) Ok if a gay couple was ment to have children then they would be able to procreate on thier own (barring a medical condition) They cant for a reason. Sorry but that is how I feel about it. As I said in my earlier post to each his own until they try to push their beleifs on me or mine or on someone that cannot make a decision for their self i.e. a young child. I am done here. Please save our children they are the greatest resource that the world has. Raise them right and protect them. They are our future.
TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE THINKING ABOUT THE CHILDS NEEDS INSTEAD OF THE HOMOSEXUALS WANTS. RIGHT ON REDSKINFAN

[Blloyd]

...Ok if a gay couple was ment to have children then they would be able to procreate on thier own (barring a medical condition) They cant for a reason. Sorry but that is how I feel about it.

I can respect your thoughts, but how about a heterosexual couple that can't procreate...where does that leave them?

[HighCap56]

I have friends that are Homosexual, however I still find that lifestyle very unnatural and cannot rationalize that it would be "OK" for a child to grow up in an environment that would cause them to be anything other than "normal" due to the influence of the male/male or female/female pairing in a parenting relationship.

Kids have enough trouble without adding this level of confusion to the mix.

[MANDINGO]

I can respect your thoughts, but how about a heterosexual couple that can't procreate...where does that leave them?
ADOPTION OR FOSTER PARENTING. THERE ARE SO MANY AMERICAN CHILDREN THAT NEED A GOOD HOME BUT SO MANY GO OVERSEAS TO GET A BABY. I UNDERSTAND THE RED TAPE AND ALL THE WAIT BUT WE HAVE KIDS RIGHT HERE.

[chris storrs]

as far as the child being made fun of.....who hasent been made fun of ?????.....sure some less than others...but if you think you werent made fun of in school....your wrong....

[MANDINGO]

as far as the child being made fun of.....who hasent been made fun of ?????.....sure some less than others...but if you think you werent made fun of in school....your wrong....BUT BEING A KID AND DEALING WITH KID STUFF IS ENUFF. TO HAVE TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF CRUEL JOKES/COMMENTS BECAUSE OF YOUR PARENTS LIFESTYLE IS ASKING A BIT MUCH DONT U THINK? I WOULDNT WANT TO PUT ANY KID THROUGH THAT. WHY SHOULD HE /SHE HAVE TO EVEN EXPERIENCE THE ADULT MATTERS THAT HE/SHE PROBABLY DONT GRASP AS FULLY AS AN ADULT? TO ME THAT SEEMS ABUSIVE TO THE CHILD.:cool:

[RuddeDoggswoman]

I dont agree with it but whos to say they cant raise a normal healthy child i have seen it done the child turned out to be a productive part of the commuinity not saying its right but ........ think about all the straight people who cant. straight people have produced mass muders,junkies and gays so whos to really say whos the better choice in raising childrenn THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RedskinFan228]

I can respect your thoughts, but how about a heterosexual couple that can't procreate...where does that leave them?


then they should adopt. I never said they shouldnt be allowed to only homosexual couples. They shold not be allowed to adopt.

[rattler]

i think it would be better than foster homes...many times more then 1...what about a real family that fights/drinks/drugs all the time...thats not right...take the kids?...whos gonna raise them?...what about the ones that have kids so their ADC/WELLFARE will go up...i have seen this first hand...if the family is stable and loving...i don't care what their sex/race/religon is...i just hope the kid grows up to be a good person...JMHO