Abortion.........

[Talapia]

What are your views? Remember you are
not going to change ANYBODY'S mind
on the topic so please keep that in mind going in. No personal attacks please.:cool:
Ready.........Begin!

[SeaSalt]

I had to think hard about this issue. Its a difficult and very sensitive issue for many.

My view of pro-life was cemented after going through two pregnancies and having many friends who are not able to have their own.

I didn't realize that fetus has a fully developed, beating heart by week 6 and it has started to develop eyes and ears. By the time a woman has notice that she is pregnant is around week 4 to week 6.

Life can be precious even the babies that are 6 weeks old, he or she has a beating heart...

[Talapia]

This is a really tough one for me. I have
basically grown up being a big supporter
of a womans right to choose. Is there
a difference between using birth controls
such as the pill, patch, etc or having
an abortion.....?

[matt anderson]

I can go either way on this subject

If the woman becoms pregnent from rape or.....if they know the Fetus will become terminly ill......
Ya the woman has the right to a abortion



On the other hand if its a cuple that has it on axident because they were not using protction
or birth control then the should take responcibillity for there unresponcible actions and giv it up for adoption

Pleas keep a clear hed about this

Matt

[Talapia]

I can go either way on this subject

If the woman becoms pregnent from rape or.....if they know the Fetus will become terminly ill......
Ya the woman has the right to a abortion



On the other hand if its a cuple that has it on axident because they were not using protction
or birth control then the should take responcibillity for there unresponcible actions and giv it up for adoption

Pleas keep a clear hed about this

Matt

I agree with you on theory but in application
how many mothers could actually carry a
baby to term and then give them away?

If they decide to give birth and cannot
afford the child who should take of it
financially?

[MANDINGO]

As Means Of Birth Control No. If You Are Raped, Molested, Birth Defect(life Threatening) Or Serious Health Issues For Mom.yes! Is This Murder? Yes It Is And Thats Where Its Touchy Because Its A Minefield..;)

[Talapia]

As Means Of Birth Control No. If You Are Raped, Molested, Birth Defect(life Threatening) Or Serious Health Issues For Mom.yes! Is This Murder? Yes It Is And Thats Where Its Touchy Because Its A Minefield..;)

Yeah, this is definitely a doozy! Got to
think before you post on this thread!;)

[matt anderson]

I think the best people to get a oppinon from is a woman

And ya what mother would want to give up here baby?

But i'm a Guy ........so I can't see it like a woman see's it




Matt

[Talapia]

I think the best people to get a oppinon from is a woman

And ya what mother would want to give up here baby?

But i'm a Guy ........so I can't see it like a woman see's it

Matt

So then, should the father have any
say in the decision?:cool:

[matt anderson]

I don't know i never grew up with a father

but that dos't meen all dads are a bad as mine

I think it is ok if the the father wants to take the baby and seperate as long as the mother agrees

[matt anderson]

What makes me mader then He!! is when is see on the news .....thes nuts who bomb the abortion clinics ....it makes me sick...I meen to kill all of thoghs inisent people for a extreem beleif

and the thig is the bombers are all men......:eek:

What gives ???

Pleas keep a clear hed

Matt

[Sendah]

I used to be Pro-Life, and in a certain sense, I still am. However, a woman, or anyone for that matter, should have the final say when it comes to decisions about one's own health and well-being. By giving that choice to the government, you take away the autonomy of the individual. Once the government takes away that choice, what other aspects of our freedom will they deny us? A rich, old doctor, whom I fully expected to be one of those conversative Republican types, broke it down to me like that and to this day, no other argument makes more sense.

[MANDINGO]

I agree with you on theory but in application
how many mothers could actually carry a
baby to term and then give them away?

If they decide to give birth and cannot
afford the child who should take of it
financially?
EXACTLY AND WHAT WOMAN WOULD GO THROUGH ALL OF THE WOES OF PREGNANCY AND THEN TURN AROUND AND GIVE IT AWAY.

[MANDINGO]

I used to be Pro-Life, and in a certain sense, I still am. However, a woman, or anyone for that matter, should have the final say when it comes to decisions about one's own health and well-being. By giving that choice to the government, you take away the autonomy of the individual. Once the government takes away that choice, what other aspects of our freedom will they deny us? A rich, old doctor, whom I fully expected to be one of those conversative Republican types, broke it down to me like that and to this day, no other argument makes more sense.
SEDAH I CAN CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE THINKING ON THAT

[SeaSalt]

EXACTLY AND WHAT WOMAN WOULD GO THROUGH ALL OF THE WOES OF PREGNANCY AND THEN TURN AROUND AND GIVE IT AWAY.

right. There is an interesting theory called commodification. Us, americans like to commodify everything. For example, we commodify relationships like marriage where ones happiness is found in what they get out the relationship. It even goes to some extremes where some kid wanted to divorce his parents.

I believe abortion is a difficult issue and when life of a mother is in danger or there are extreme circumstances, it should be allowed. But, we are not only talking about life of the mother but also a life of a baby. Who protects the rights of the unborn?

I wonder what the statistics is for abortion that is done out of "convenience"? It would be interesting to see that. In a self-absorbed capitalistic society where consequences and responsibilities are shunned, I'm not sure if allowing abortion is wise, at least for cases that are done out of "convenience".

Going back to commodification, are we commodifying the unborn baby as we think about what this baby will bring to one's life, what our life situation is and etc... But the irony is, I have yet to meet a mother who decided to have an abortion and changed her mind regretting that decision....

[MANDINGO]

right. There is an interesting theory called commodification. Us, americans like to commodify everything. For example, we commodify relationships like marriage where ones happiness is found in what they get out the relationship. It even goes to some extremes where some kid wanted to divorce his parents.

I believe abortion is a difficult issue and when life of a mother is in danger or there are extreme circumstances, it should be allowed. But, we are not only talking about life of the mother but also a life of a baby. Who protects the rights of the unborn?

I wonder what the statistics is for abortion that is done out of "convenience"? It would be interesting to see that. In a self-absorbed capitalistic society where consequences and responsibilities are shunned, I'm not sure if allowing abortion is wise, at least for cases that are done out of "convenience".

Going back to commodification, are we commodifying the unborn baby as we think about what this baby will bring to one's life, what our life situation is and etc... But the irony is, I have yet to meet a mother who decided to have an abortion and changed her mind regretting that decision....
CANT SAY IT ANY BETTER THAN THAT;)

[Talapia]

right. There is an interesting theory called commodification. Us, americans like to commodify everything. For example, we commodify relationships like marriage where ones happiness is found in what they get out the relationship. It even goes to some extremes where some kid wanted to divorce his parents.

I believe abortion is a difficult issue and when life of a mother is in danger or there are extreme circumstances, it should be allowed. But, we are not only talking about life of the mother but also a life of a baby. Who protects the rights of the unborn?

I wonder what the statistics is for abortion that is done out of "convenience"? It would be interesting to see that. In a self-absorbed capitalistic society where consequences and responsibilities are shunned, I'm not sure if allowing abortion is wise, at least for cases that are done out of "convenience".

Going back to commodification, are we commodifying the unborn baby as we think about what this baby will bring to one's life, what our life situation is and etc... But the irony is, I have yet to meet a mother who decided to have an abortion and changed her mind regretting that decision....

I do not think that is a fair analogy. That would
be like a mother saying "I am glad that I
was not on the pill" when talking about
her child.

[Orest]

It's none of my business what a woman decide to do with her body; unless I am married to her.

Too many people sticking their nose in other people business. Why? It's not your baby or your body; but you want her to do as you say.

Give me a break.

Too many people screaming for the G-Man to do something in one sentance and the next sentance they saying G-Man keep your nose out.

[MANDINGO]

It's none of my business what a woman decide to do with her body; unless I am married to her.

Too many people sticking their nose in other people business. Why? It's not your baby or your body; but you want her to do as you say.

Give me a break.

Too many people screaming for the G-Man to do something in one sentance and the next sentance they saying G-Man keep your nose out.
THOSE AGAINST ABORTION SHOULD START ADOPTING. BET THEY WOULD MARCH TO A NEW TUNE THEN:D

[SeaSalt]

Orest,

I too would like to say people need to keep out of my life and let me do whatever I wish. Its much easier that way...

But, if you read any type of anthropology or sociology books or take any classes on it, it would be hard press to prove that each individual action does not influence the society as whole. Rome, once mighty empire, did not fall because some great nation conquered it, Rome actually came apart at the seams where the culture itself was decaying.

[Orest]

THOSE AGAINST ABORTION SHOULD START ADOPTING. BET THEY WOULD MARCH TO A NEW TUNE THEN

Is that a statement or direct toward me? I agree with the statement. Married 20 year and 2kids is enough for me.

[MANDINGO]

Is that a statement or direct toward me? I agree with the statement. Married 20 year and 2kids is enough for me.
IT WAS JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT NO A PERSONAL SHOT:D I HAVE 3 AND THATS PLENTY IF I WAS REALLY PRO ABORTION I WOULD ONLY HAD 1

[Talapia]

I saw a show on TV last night where they
had a thousands of womans eggs cryo
frozen and they were debating what to
do with them.....destroy them or donate
them to stem cell research. Is that a
form of abortion?

[MANDINGO]

I saw a show on TV last night where they
had a thousands of womans eggs cryo
frozen and they were debating what to
do with them.....destroy them or donate
them to stem cell research. Is that a
form of abortion?
IF THEY ARENT FERTILIZED.