Abu 7500 c3ct vs daiwa 30 (grandwave)

[CrawFish]

I got inspired by the amount of money that people are will to pay for those Abu's.What's so special about the abu that everyone is paying high dollars for them for?

My grandwave cast the same or better, better drag, better clicker.

Now you guys enlighten me the advantages of the 7500.

[CrawFish]

Not to knock your GW but the 7500C3CT is a hard reel to find first of all, They (abu) don't make them any more. Second it is an Abu, Nuff said. With some trickin up with smooothies,ceramics and properly tuned you have one of the most formidable fishing/casting mo'chines made. I REALLY hated to let it go but like I said I had to fund another purchase.
With that said, Anybody know where I can get a 7500C3CT? No really...........I'm not joking........Stop laughing.......I'm serious


Pimpin ain't easy but it's hard as hell to be a ho ;)
There's my point. After spending about 300 dollars to get a reel set for fishing and thus you've gotten a reel about the same level or little better with something off the shelves. Why? Is it because fo the brandname? I think it's a great collectable item, but I don't think it's practical for fishing right out of the box.

[barty b]

Like I said in the other post, You can go out and get a GW anywhere. I am not going to start to argue which is better,I don't know d!(k about the GW 'cept it's a diawa. I personally prefer Abu's period. Atlanticangler LOVES the GW's. I guess for different types of fishing one would have it's +'s & -'s. I look at Ambassadeurs as functional art. I PERSONALLY don't think there is a more attractive reel made period. you can't argue with swedish engineering much either.
I'll be Abu Garcia for life..... To each his own.
Just my .02 :)

[clpoudnine23]

I have had both reels. Both are great reels from great tackle company's who have been making quality products for years. IMO, the 7500 is a large class conventional that feels very comfortable in your hands. With the Grand Wave and the gear box issue, it felt like I could not get a good grip on it. I think the biggest difference between the two is resale. When I bought that reel a few years ago I paid $250 for it. I have made six to seven trips to OBX in the last two plus years. I had the reel cleaned up and just sold it. Guess how much?? $250. Just something to think about.:)

[barty b]

A well maintained Abu will hold it's value like no other reel. Kinda like a mercedes vs.a volkswagon, Both good cars but you'll always get more resale from the benz.

[Fishbreath]

There you go again Crawfish...I have to try throwing your GW. I'm an ABU man, have 4 of them, but I'm always open to a good reel. You make a good case for the clicker and usage right out of the box but I have to go along with Barty and Clp, the Abu is a sweeeet looking reel and even sweeter once tricked. It is eye-candy. That being said, can I try your GW? Can I? Huh, Can I? Purdy pleeeease?? :D

[jjaachapa]

I agree on the gear box being a pain on the GW. And the Abu is by far the better looking reel. But paying that kind of money because its harder to find should put it in the collectors category.
I personally want a reel I can fish out of the box.
It's all preference. If you want bling and can afford it then the Abu is your reel. If you want something to take fishing and not worry about sand, salt, dunking it or how many scratches it might get by normal use then it's the Daiwa. Not to mention the gears are bigger. I tend to be a little rough on my equipment and resale value means nothing to me so my vote goes with the Daiwa.
Abu makes a sweet reel but I can't see myself babying it when I'm fishing because of the price, or resale value. I want to fish.

[Jesse Lockowitz]

are some abu's eye candy? YES

is it cool to have a rare reel, and think to urself when the guy next to u has a daiwa 30, "hehe, i can go get one of them anytime, but he cant get mine :-)" YES

Is a abu JUST eye candy, and a spiffy looking reel? HELL NO


I have beat the living crap out of a few of my abu's, never a failure. They are by far, some of the toughest reels out there.

I had a daiwa 30shv, great reel. By far one of the better reels for surf fishing OUT OF THE BOX. Only thing i didnt like on it, is the handle. I got use to the gearbox. Other then that, it was a crazy tough reel, and handle some good size sharks , carhood rays, drum, and served as a great anchor reel for 3 and a half years. Being used EVERYDAY, all summer long, mainly 5-6 days a week, 10-12hrs a day, its got to say something about the durability of a reel. Never a problem with a daiwa.



Im a sucker for an abu :-) Especially a sexy shiny one.

I LOVE my 7500ctc3, like it better then my daiwa.



It is all one what you like best, and what works for you. Why use something that someone says is awesome, when it doesnt feel good to you?



Jesse

[the rhondel]

hmmmm...sounds like my sister-in-law....the R

[AL_N_VB]

hmmmm...sounds like my sister-in-law....the R


;)

[AtlanticAngler]

The 7500C3CT, one of the best reels i have used in the surf. I have owned nearly every abu you might think about from the 1750 to the 8600, and many in between, and i find myself just gazing at them instead of fishing with them, most of the time. They are true gods in there own right, nothing casts like an abu, thats proven, and they can fish just fine. They do hold value if taken care of. Most need some sort of "extra adjustment" to be surf ready whether magnetic braking or what ever it will be, some come ready out of the box. To me personally i think most people like the abus i guess cause they look so good and all the little things you can do to them, they are kinda like a car, you can make one unique from another. Endless possibilities with them. On the other hand comes Daiwa. I have used and still use the Daiwa's. I personally like the 20 SHV and the GW20. Put the red brakes in and let er fly. Thats it. I feel confident with them and know day in and day out that this reel will perform. I have big hands, gear box doesnt bother me, the handle is fine with me the reel is a machine. With that said i cant really give you any info that would suggest the Daiwa is better than the Abu but I find myself using the Daiwa's not the Abu's. I just love them, i guess its a personal thing. One thing to note, the Abu's will cast in the right hands, the Daiwa's will smoke it too, part of my fondness is, I feel when i step on the beach I can most likely put the bait where i need to, whether its in close or far out, and most of the time that person next to me might not, The fishability of a reel is in the mind of the angler. You put yourself on the fish just about anything of quality will catch it. Is a 30lb striper caught on a $300.00 Abu 7500C3CT more note worthy than one on a $110.00 Daiwa 20SHV, you tell me and justify it one way or the other. One persons thought that this is better than that is based on My dogs better than yours, why, most likely its just because its theirs. And to let some people know the 7500C3CT's are in fact not all that rare. Just some smart people holding on to them, and with todays crazy market soon they will be in excess of 400.00 in value (guess). The value of anything is what the market will allow, and with todays fishing crowd, me included we likes to spend some money. My opinion is we are comparing apples and apples, maybe one being a tad sweeter than another, still accomplishing the same thing. Mike

[Wtrdog]

I just bought barty's 7500. I've always loved abu's since panfishing with my dad when I was little kid. I never had the best luck with freshwater Diawa gear and never tried the saltwater stuff because of it. the abu's work and for me being able to trick 'em out is just a bonus. someday I might try the diawa but with all the abu's sitting at home, why fix something that ain't broke...;)

[CrawFish]

Good post AA. !!!!:D

[barty b]

The 7500C3CT, one of the best reels i have used in the surf. I have owned nearly every abu you might think about from the 1750 to the 8600, and many in between, and i find myself just gazing at them instead of fishing with them, most of the time. They are true gods in there own right, nothing casts like an abu, thats proven, and they can fish just fine. They do hold value if taken care of. Most need some sort of "extra adjustment" to be surf ready whether magnetic braking or what ever it will be, some come ready out of the box. To me personally i think most people like the abus i guess cause they look so good and all the little things you can do to them, they are kinda like a car, you can make one unique from another. Endless possibilities with them. On the other hand comes Daiwa. I have used and still use the Daiwa's. I personally like the 20 SHV and the GW20. Put the red brakes in and let er fly. Thats it. I feel confident with them and know day in and day out that this reel will perform. I have big hands, gear box doesnt bother me, the handle is fine with me the reel is a machine. With that said i cant really give you any info that would suggest the Daiwa is better than the Abu but I find myself using the Daiwa's not the Abu's. I just love them, i guess its a personal thing. One thing to note, the Abu's will cast in the right hands, the Daiwa's will smoke it too, part of my fondness is, I feel when i step on the beach I can most likely put the bait where i need to, whether its in close or far out, and most of the time that person next to me might not, The fishability of a reel is in the mind of the angler. You put yourself on the fish just about anything of quality will catch it. Is a 30lb striper caught on a $300.00 Abu 7500C3CT more note worthy than one on a $110.00 Daiwa 20SHV, you tell me and justify it one way or the other. One persons thought that this is better than that is based on My dogs better than yours, why, most likely its just because its theirs. And to let some people know the 7500C3CT's are in fact not all that rare. Just some smart people holding on to them, and with todays crazy market soon they will be in excess of 400.00 in value (guess). The value of anything is what the market will allow, and with todays fishing crowd, me included we likes to spend some money. My opinion is we are comparing apples and apples, maybe one being a tad sweeter than another, still accomplishing the same thing. Mike

Well look who got slapped with the eloquent stick today! :D seriously mike,very well put bro

[AtlanticAngler]

i have my moments, no matter how much of a $hithead i am(at least i have been told) I can dig deep and give my innermost thoughts. Mikey being mikey, and I love me some me:p

[pier-legend]

I DON'T think anyone is serious..BUT!!! I have a BRAND NEW IN THE BOX 7500C3CT.....and I WILL LET IT GO TODAY FOR $400....
..other than that I will just hold on to it...

The Ambassadeurs have a certain "prestige" that nothing Diawa or Shimano makes, will ever have...I don't know why exactly...BUT IT IS TRUE!!!
..When I started, the Ambassadeur 10,000c had the SMOOTHEST drag in the "star drag" market...
..right out of the box....
We were making our own teflon drag washers for our 4/0s,6/0s,68's and jigmasters..
..I caught a many a pier mack on a 10,000c filled with 650 yds of 20 lb. Ande...

When the 8600's came out...you could buy them all day at the Wrightsville "Redix" store for $36.00!!!!
I only bought one....I WISH I HAD BOUGHT A HUNDRED...

I personally know a Wrightsville Bch. commercial grouper fishermen that used "only" 7000 red ambassadeurs for his light lines...
John use 6 of thoes boys, and landed wahoo, tuna, plenty of kings over 40...alonq with the endless boxes of snake kings, bonito's, and sharks...
A little oil, and new line, and thoes Ambassadeurs were the closes to being "bullet proof 'reels I have ever seen.... used day after day, after day..
beat up, scratched,...still putting em in the box...day after day..

[cockroachjr.]

I was watching ESPN2 this weekend and the old guy thats always fishing in south america was pulling tarpoon out of the surf with an Abu Garcia....sure a Grand Wave would do the same..but those Garcia's just look swwweeett!!

[TreednNC]

Oh yeah I saw a dude casting plugs to tarpon from the surf....rouuugh surf and conditions....would rival the point...plus casting plugs to tarpon, man oh man that was neat. For some odd reason I thought he was on the African coast...shows how well I paid attention to what was bein said

[reelrebel18]

i have to say that the diawas are really good reels as are the abus but if you drop your abu you out while you just dunk the diawa and be on your way

[StormCaster]

I think they are both equal, but the CT is just better looking.

[pier-legend]

When I was growing up..the Ambassadeur 5000 was "the" reel in fresh water bass fishing....later it landed more than a few flounder, spots, and all that stuff..it was as quality, and as durable ,as you could get..

Point: Ambassadeur has NEVER made stuff that wasn't 1st class....they never were JUNK!!!

Now for Diawa...thats a different story all together...
ALL they made for years and years was JUNK!!
..CHANGE styles every year...crap wouldn't hold up..
..many of us got a real BAD start with anything that had the DIAWA name on it..
I remember a Gold Series 9000 spinner, that absolutely "spit" it ball bearing out on a pier king stike!!!

The 1st reels Diawa ever made that held up for any time at all was the SILVER SERIES of spinning reels...and from them came the BG's that have been around forever now...
BUT DIAWA STARTED AS JUNK..
AMBASSADEUR STARTED AS QUALITY...

You never get a second chance to make a 1st impression..

Even now...an ABU hold its RESALE VALUE, much, much, better, than any DIAWA...

[CrawFish]

So you're saying it's kinda like Japanese vs American cars, but I don't want to go that way. All I was saying was what could a 7300ctc3 do that a daiwa 30 couldn't and why do people want to pay that much for a fishing reel when there're other options.

[jjaachapa]

When I was growing up..the Ambassadeur 5000 was "the" reel in fresh water bass fishing....later it landed more than a few flounder, spots, and all that stuff..it was as quality, and as durable ,as you could get..

Point: Ambassadeur has NEVER made stuff that wasn't 1st class....they never were JUNK!!!

Now for Diawa...thats a different story all together...
ALL they made for years and years was JUNK!!
..CHANGE styles every year...crap wouldn't hold up..
..many of us got a real BAD start with anything that had the DIAWA name on it..
I remember a Gold Series 9000 spinner, that absolutely "spit" it ball bearing out on a pier king stike!!!

The 1st reels Diawa ever made that held up for any time at all was the SILVER SERIES of spinning reels...and from them came the BG's that have been around forever now...
BUT DIAWA STARTED AS JUNK..
AMBASSADEUR STARTED AS QUALITY...

You never get a second chance to make a 1st impression..

Even now...an ABU hold its RESALE VALUE, much, much, better, than any DIAWA...
THERE IS SO MUCH TRUTH TO THIS POST.
Thats how I feel about American made cars.
Even now my 96 toyota holds it's resale value.

Now about spiting out gears, I've seen just about every brand of reel crap the bed at one point or another.
Don't missunder stand me, I think the Abu's are a great looking reels and If I had the cash I would buy a Calcutta instead.
For the last month I've been in the outterbanks working and during my spare time I would visit the tackle shops. Now I didn't make it down to the Point, but I was deep in surf fishing territory.
Every time I walked in a shop I asked the same question. "Whats the big deal with the Abu and what do I have to do to tune it for some surf action? I got every thing from replacing the bearings to adding drag washer to removing levelwinds, and adding bars. Then I would ask what they had in the store that was compatible and the got same answers in every store. The Calcutta 400 and 700, Penn 525, and any of the Diawas. One guy even went as far as to say they were just the latest flavor and the latest flavor is where the money is. Then he showed me his truck and personal gear and they were all Calcutta's and Daiwas.
Now with all that I saw with my own eyes and with my personal preference I most likely will get an Abu to judge for myself. And I'm glad they hold there resale value so that I wont be out to much jack if I decide to sell it.

[Shooter]

The answer to your question is,,, the same reason folks buy a $50,000. 4x4 truck to drive on the same beach that folks that spend $500. on a used 4x4 do the same thing. The same reason some folks love Chevy and others love Ford.

I have a Slosh 30 and that sucker is like a baby bull dozer but you know I have 2 Abu 6500C4s and love usen them for tossen metal and lures.

They are both great reels in their own rights and both will have their own following for years to come.