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Talapia
04-19-2007, 02:06 PM
Floyd Mayweather stands almost 5-foot-9, weighs 154 pounds, has a 72-inch reach and can drop most mortals with a single swing of either hand.

He's fast, athletic and dodges punches as well as anyone, maybe ever. In 13 world title fights, he won all 13. His next one is May 5 in Las Vegas, this time as a junior middleweight, against Oscar de la Hoya, as big a fight as boxing has seen in years.

His nickname may be "Pretty Boy," but he is one bad, bad man.

On Cinco de Mayo we'll find out if Mayweather can beat de la Hoya – he's the heavy favorite – but could he beat a snarling, menacing, multi-skilled champion of the Ultimate Fighting Championship?

How about lightweight (155 pound) champ Sean Sherk, who may stand just 5-foot-6, may suffer from a distinct reach disadvantage, but as a mixed martial arts master is schooled in "interdisciplinary forms of fighting that include jiu-jitsu, judo, karate, boxing, kickboxing, wrestling."

Could the best pound-for-pound fighter in the old combat sport (boxing) handle a champion in the new combat sport (UFC)?

"UFC's champions can't handle boxing. That's why they are in UFC." Mayweather said Tuesday from Las Vegas during a break in training. "Put one of our guys in UFC and he'd be the champion. Any good fighter, he'd straight knock them out."

Dana White, a one-time boxer and boxing instructor and current UFC president, laughs at that.

"Boxers couldn't become mixed martial artists. That's why they're boxers," White countered Wednesday from England where UFC has an event Saturday. "They are one trick ponies. Our guys can do everything. They can box, they can kick box, they can wrestle and do jiu-jitsu. They are much better athletes than boxers."

Mayweather may be right, but he'd have to be. Any boxer stepping into the UFC octagon would have to knock his opponent out before the mixed martial artist got a hold of him, because once the fight fell to the mat, where things get nasty, the boxer is all but finished.

But, as Mayweather points out, the often (by boxing standards) clumsy and lead-with-their-face UFC guys would have to walk through a hail of vicious jabs, crosses and hooks to get there.

"Take Chuck Liddell," Mayweather said of the UFC's biggest star and light heavyweight champion (about 205 pounds). "Put him in the ring with a (boxer) who is just 10-0 and Chuck Liddell would get punished."

So you'd punish a UFC champion, too?

"Come on, man. What'd you think? Am I just 10-0?"

Mayweather is 37-0.

Liddell, with six inches and 50 pounds on Mayweather, isn't possible, but someone like Sherk, someone his size? With that insane reach, unreal punching power and by UFC rules aided by small, light 4-ounce gloves would Mayweather carve up Sherk instantly? Or would Sherk fight throughout the barrage and get Mayweather in a clutch no ref will save him from?

"They wouldn't have a chance to grapple (us) because we'd knock them out," Mayweather said in general. "(The fighter) would be knocked out before he even touched us."

Of course, perhaps no punch is strong enough to stop a charging opponent.

No one really knows what would happen at such an elite level.

"I used to talk like Floyd Mayweather when I was involved in boxing," White said. "I talked just like him, until I educated myself about this sport. These guys are amazing athletes, Floyd Mayweather is one of the best boxers ever, (and) Sean Sherk will whoop his ass in under two minutes."

"Any day that Mayweather wants to put his money and his ass where his mouth is, I'm ready," White continued. "If he wants to step up, let's do it."

First off, Mayweather was talking mostly in general about his disdain for UFC – "Boxing is an art, UFC is a fad." But Mayweather has spent almost as much time this spring ripping UFC as de la Hoya, who he seems to consider as little more than a matinee idol useful for only increasing the purse.

"I never knew popularity to win any fight," Mayweather said. "I'll beat him and come home and watch basketball."

The UFC, though, is clearly on his mind. He brought it up on his own Tuesday. Earlier this month he cracked that "anyone can put a tattoo on their head and get in a street fight."

Mayweather may be a talker – loquacious doesn't begin to describe the 30-year-old – but he isn't dumb. So maybe he is setting up another big pay day in the event he dusts de la Hoya and boxing has little to offer. Or maybe he just wants to promote a fight involving others.

Of course, the economics of UFC would have to change to get Mayweather to participate. UFC fighters make a fraction of top boxers. As part of the family business, Mayweather, his dad and his uncle handle all aspects of his career. For the de la Hoya fight he'll earn millions.

"Why would I go into a sport paying hundreds of thousands when I'm in a sport paying $20 million?" Mayweather said.

Mayweather knows full well, though, that the pay per view money is there for the taking on something like this, a battle that would be intriguing at nearly every level. White would just about kill for this to go down, preferably with Mayweather involved as a fighter.

"I'm willing to put together a fight for Sean Sherk and Floyd Mayweather with numbers that would make sense for Floyd," White said. "And I guarantee you he would not accept it. Floyd Mayweather would never fight in the UFC because he would get his head ripped off."

Yes, he would. But only if Sherk didn't get his head ripped off first.

Talapia
04-19-2007, 02:10 PM
I think the lighter weight classes would
be dominated by the MMA guys and
the heavyweights would be dominated
by the boxers. I say this because most
of the heavyweights in MMA usually
go with stand-up fighting anyways.
Chuck Liddell is a great example.
I think the heavyweights would get
knocked the **** out by the boxers,
while the lighter weight MMA guys
would get thier boxers on the mat
and pound the crap out of them in
the first round!

Mark G
04-19-2007, 03:23 PM
What's the argument? Are we talking about martial art guys fighting under boxing rules or the other way around?

We use to invite the guys from the karate studio up to spar with us boxers ( we had rented the top floor of a two story building, they were on the bottom floor.

Karate guys have speed but so do boxers and boxers are all about power. When we sparred it was under boxing rules - no kicking- and the boxers inveritably put the karate guys on the ground.

I have no idea how things would have turned out if the rules were reversed- boxers trying to fight under martial art rules.

Interesting but I don't know what it proves, if anything.

Talapia
04-19-2007, 03:27 PM
What's the argument? Are we talking about martial art guys fighting under boxing rules or the other way around?

We use to invite the guys from the karate studio up to spar with us boxers ( we had rented the top floor of a two story building, they were on the bottom floor.

Karate guys have speed but so do boxers and boxers are all about power. When we sparred it was under boxing rules - no kicking- and the boxers inveritably put the karate guys on the ground.

I have no idea how things would have turned out if the rules were reversed- boxers trying to fight under martial art rules.

Interesting but I don't know what it proves, if anything.


Just food for thought based on the
article...

It would have to be MMA rules since
the MMA guys would have NO SHOT
otherwise. Basically, anything goes
best "fighter" wins. I do not really
consider karate students as MMA
fighters. MMA guys would have a
more rounded background. Martial
Arts, Kick Boxing, Wrestling, etc.;)

Lipyourown
04-19-2007, 03:30 PM
Make it a street fight-anything goes, in his youth Mike Tyson would crush anyone except a few other legendary heavyweight boxers...he may just win those fights. Just what I think. No, I don't like Tyson.

Mark G
04-19-2007, 03:36 PM
Hmm interesting, I don't think any boxer in his right mind would agree to such an event- all tho there was that fiasco with Ali and some wrestler back in the day.

Of course, perhaps no punch is strong enough to stop a charging opponent.

the above quote is a ridiculous statment- a charging opponent is very subsceptible to a knockout punch- the hardest shots I took were ones that I walked into. Moving away from a punch lessen its effect- moving into a shot multiplies its power many times over.

Al Kai
04-19-2007, 04:06 PM
What's the argument? Are we talking about martial art guys fighting under boxing rules or the other way around?

We use to invite the guys from the karate studio up to spar with us boxers ( we had rented the top floor of a two story building, they were on the bottom floor.

Karate guys have speed but so do boxers and boxers are all about power. When we sparred it was under boxing rules - no kicking- and the boxers inveritably put the karate guys on the ground.

I have no idea how things would have turned out if the rules were reversed- boxers trying to fight under martial art rules.

Interesting but I don't know what it proves, if anything.

I agree 100%

Mark G
04-19-2007, 04:27 PM
But i was and i always taught my people to back the other fighter. Make him back up!! alot of fighter cant fight moving backwards...as their power is also being taken away.

I agree taking the offensive and backing the other guy up can be a very effective method, it keeps them off balance- and at least in boxing- you score points with the judges by being the aggressor.

I was taking issue with the statement " a charging opponent can't be knocked out" which conjures up images of someone rushing headlong into a punch :D ouch !!

Talapia
04-19-2007, 04:55 PM
this is a subject close to my heart...I come from a family of boxers, i wrestle all thru school. I was raised in bronx NY, so i got into a few fights:rolleyes: I went into kickboxing back in the late 70 and early 80s and kept it up while i was in the Marine corp...(I came out and open up a school with my instructer) but it wasnt paying the bills, and has to get a real job:( well because i got marry...:eek: .....but i went thru almost every phase of this, and i was around some really good fighters in all these sports...So i got my butt handed to me more then once:p thinking that i was good boxer was great, until that roundhouse landed upside my head:eek: LOL...thats what MMA is all about everything blend into one, The champions are those that can do almost everything well....as for that Loud mouth "Mayweather" saying that he could go into a ufc and bust someone up, because they couldnt get to him....The first time his back, ran into that cage, he would poop in his pants....and you wouldnt need a champion to destroy him, any good ufc fighter in his weight class, would break that little fag#$#@ in a few places....if you go and fight someone in his house under his rules, you will be carry out....If "chuck" when in and only box one of the avg fighter in a boxing match...he would more then likely be carry out....That goes for any of the fighting sports, MMA is just a another Monster in its own....a wrestler that only wrestle would get kill, a kickboxer would get killed, a boxer would go also be carry out.....Mayweather is a great boxer...and thats it, as a human being he is a total A$$wipe...no class whatsoever....And to not show respect to another fighting Art is just plain wrong, I for one would love to watch him get into a the cage or ring with a MMA fighter.....Just to see his eyes bug out, when he is lifted into the air and slam down...then a good old ground and pound....He isnt that stupid, he may talk all that stupid crap but he would back out....If he was really sure of himself, money wouldnt be a issue...he could go in the cage prove his point....and if he was right:rolleyes: make even more money fighting more then one sport.....lets get real...he hide behind that money issue, is total bullsh$t....be the fighter and prove it....I cant stand the little piece of dogSh$t....too bad that a person with all that talent, has to be such a sh#t:mad:

He talks a lot of smack but he backs it up.
He is a champion and I think that if he
had gone into MMA instead of boxing that
he would be a champion there also. He
has the athletic talent and heart to
suceed. I think that champions in any
sport have a lot of the same qualities.

Talapia
04-19-2007, 04:57 PM
Hmm interesting, I don't think any boxer in his right mind would agree to such an event- all tho there was that fiasco with Ali and some wrestler back in the day.
.

Agreed. But this is the lounge and we
are here to BS.;)

Mark G
04-19-2007, 04:59 PM
Agreed. But this is the lounge and we
are here to BS.;)

By all means, BS away :) :)

Talapia
04-19-2007, 05:00 PM
somebody charging can run into something, be it a kick or a punch....But i was and i always taught my people to back the other fighter. Make him back up!! alot of fighter cant fight moving backwards...as their power is also being taken away. This is where "Mayweather" shine he is a artist when it comes to counterpunching, and then he attack...it isnt that he hit really hard...Its the amount of punches he lands that knock people out. Any MMA fighter that would stand with him, would be deadmeat...And getting back to the heavy weights in MMA, most do stand up...But the really good ones know how to wrap you up also...the champion in Pride is a "MONSTER" he can fight standing up and he can wrap you and snap your arm....I don't think UFC Heavy weight champion would beat him...now that UFC bought Pride...i wonder how they are going to bill this....And Chuck is not a standard fighter, he hits really hard and fights throw punches fron every kind of angle...Don't forget that he was ground and pound out!!! in Pride...and never went back...and the guy that did it, is now in the UFC...so let hope they put that fight together....Hey dont' forget we have Free fights this Sat....:fishing:

Rampage Jackson is not the same fighter
he was back then and Liddell is MUCH
better now. I think the fight will be a let down.
The last UFC card was a bust except for
one or two of the early fights. St. Pierre
showed how overrated he was.

PRIDE was way better than the UFC. I
hope that the UFC does not ruin it.

RuddeDogg
04-19-2007, 08:54 PM
Having a martial arts background myself it would be very interesting to see what would happen.


And with what Surf Cat said about a charging apponent.......My fist sparing match I was that charging apponent and that was the first time I ever smelled amonia inhalents. ;) ;)

Oh and BTW, that wrestler was Gorilla Monsoon.

RuddeDogg
04-20-2007, 06:43 AM
I was a little pup and watched it on TV. We have a family friend who was in the business so I kinda grew up around it. When ever they were in town he would take me to the shows.

Yep it was a spinning round kick that took me out. The was my first match. My opponent and I have been friends ever since. I was even in HER wedding when she got married!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

Talapia
04-20-2007, 09:27 AM
I have a few years of training under my belt in japanese hardstyle karate, a LOT in judo (my dad was an instructor in the Navy), and about a year of serious training in boxing. That being said, in the very few fights I have ever been in, I only had to strike with my hands/feet in one.

My dad always taught my brother and I to "take it to the ground first"

The gist has always been to "use the other man's force and agression against him"

"The harder he hits/kicks/charges, the harder he will go down"

I can really only recall 4 fights, but eventually in all four, i immobilized my opponent and the fight was over.

FA:beer:

I hear you. But getting close enough
to a big, pro boxer to get him down is
what the problem is. Even one glancing
blow from these guys and the fight
would be over. That would be all
they needed to start launching
bombs.

VICIII
04-20-2007, 10:31 AM
my .02---

MMA fighter in the cage with a Boxer... winner MMA

MMA fighter in a ring with a Boxer... winner Boxer.

Sports are too different. Boxer will always win with boxing rules and MMA will win with MMA rules. Boxing punches are hard but they are trained to stop punches not knees, kicks, elbows, takedowns, and locks and so on... MMA fighter is trained to do more but He would not be able to use it in a boxing ring. Each has a specialty. Wrestler will take out an MMA if it was on a wrestling mat. and vice versa....

Talapia
04-20-2007, 12:19 PM
my .02---

MMA fighter in the cage with a Boxer... winner MMA

MMA fighter in a ring with a Boxer... winner Boxer.

Sports are too different. Boxer will always win with boxing rules and MMA will win with MMA rules. Boxing punches are hard but they are trained to stop punches not knees, kicks, elbows, takedowns, and locks and so on... MMA fighter is trained to do more but He would not be able to use it in a boxing ring. Each has a specialty. Wrestler will take out an MMA if it was on a wrestling mat. and vice versa....

A good heavyweight boxer will have an
excellent chance of beating a good
MMA guy in an MMA ring. Most of
the heavyweight MMA fights
are standup fights.;)

VICIII
04-20-2007, 03:35 PM
A good heavyweight boxer will have an
excellent chance of beating a good
MMA guy in an MMA ring. Most of
the heavyweight MMA fights
are standup fights.;)

Nope... Heavy weight would lose also in MMA rules but win in boxing. Legs are longer. MMA could take advantage of all of it. Standup fighter just cause they are heavyweights still have to avoid kicks and takedowns.
boxing rules are too limited to let the boxer see how effective even Kickboxing would be. They are also used to being hit with huge gloves not small ones. I could be most boxers at wrestling cause I was good at one time (before weight and too much beer) but would get my head taken off with boxing. Like apples to oranges...