Carp !!!

[DORIGHT]

Yesterday afternoon I headed down to a local pond for a little large mouth action and ended up stumbling on to yet another fishing challange...As I waded out on the flats of this pond i noticed something I've never seen before and what looked like carp spawning in the shallows ( i think grass carp ) and these were some FREAKIN HUGE CARP !!! I'd say a few of them are 30" or better. I've never seen them travel in packs like that as there where atleast 15 - 20 of the beasts. Well as you can emagine i ran home picked out another pole and tried to persuade them to bite my offering to no avail !!! They were very spooked by only a small hook and a concoction of peanut butter and some other crap from the pantry. At really slow times i've been able to catch a few in a hole on a local river with corn but they were in the 5LB range and nuthing like these guys. Now i am challanged to hook one of these bigins and i don't mean by foul hooking one.....Do any of you guy or gals have a sure fire bait and presentation that has worked for you in the past ? I know it's not a red or a king but I could use a good fight on the end of my line right now......Any suggestions would help...I've googled some info but wanted to give it a try here.....Thanks

[Big Rad]

:D 1 cup yellow corn meal
1 cup water
2 teaspoons of flavoring (vaniila extract, syrup, crushed mullberries:D )

boil water add ingrediants
lower the temp half way and stir until firm and easily rolled into a ball

Use a number 10 hook (small) some use trebles

cast out and let it set

hang a "teller" on your line and watch it closely

Let the fish suck on the bait until the line starts to straighten out (make sure your drag is set)

set the hook:D :D

[DORIGHT]

Big R,

I'm taking my son down there this w/end and we'll try your method. Hope to have a nice report these things are monsters.....Thanks for the tip !!

[videofish]

If they are grass carp You probably won't be able to catch them as I think they feed on algae type food. If they are regular carp things like Nightcrawlers, yellow corn, minniows all fished on the bottom will work. For some real fun though try to slowly fish a woolly bugger type fly on a 6w fly rod, just drag it past and they sometimes will pick it up. If he does close your eyes and pretend you have just hooked a salmon in Alaska. Good Luck

[surfchunker]

If they are regular carp I use Old fashioned Quaker Oats or off brand just as long as they aren't quick oats ... Grab a handfull and stick your hand in the water and squish it a little till it gets gummy (optional add Vanilla extract) and form it onto a treble hook ...... I use a slip sinker rig on the bottom ...

I've even used banna oil too .... I keep a ziplock baggie with me every time I go to the river

[Gnatman]

If they are regular carp I use Old fashioned Quaker Oats or off brand just as long as they aren't quick oats ... Grab a handfull and stick your hand in the water and squish it a little till it gets gummy (optional add Vanilla extract) and form it onto a treble hook ...... I use a slip sinker rig on the bottom ...

I've even used banna oil too .... I keep a ziplock baggie with me every time I go to the river

a large size of shredded wheat the same way.

Good luck.

BTW - The Susquehanna River carp just LOVE crawdaddies! I get them on well presented crayfish flies. They are VERY spooky - and challenging to get on the fly.

:D

[uncdub13]

i caught a large grass carp on topwater w/ a super spook jr a few weeks ago and had another one explode on it after that.

http://www.pierandsurf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38956

i dont think this is a very common thing though. i assumed they just ate algae and stuff.

[nomadfl]

Here is one I caught on a noodle rod while using a minnow while fishing for perch. This one is in the 30 lb. class

http://floridasurffishing.net/pics//RichCarp.jpg

[nine ought]

A handful of quaker oats,or even corn flakes cereal, soaked in big red soda. "make dough balls out of the concoction!"and set on a small hook.GUARANTEED TO WORK!!!;) ;)

[sobosteve]

I was crappie fishing at Buggs Island lake one afternoon, and eating a piece of fried chicken, the skin, (a large chunk) fell off, into the water.
About 5 seconds later, the biggest carp I have ever seen, came launching up from the bottom and literally came out of the water after that piece of skin. I dont know if it was the chicken, but rather I think it was the oil off the skin that drew him in. I have also head wd-40 is good too, as an attractant...hope this helps
sobosteve

[Catfish713]

corn sprayed down with WD-40

[DORIGHT]

corn sprayed down with WD-40

I have been hearing alot about WD-40 lately. It seems it is a rather potent fish attractant and from what I've heard it's made from fish oil !!

I'll give these methods a go this week end..i'd love to see my six year old son fighting one of these brewsers....can you think of the story's he'll tell about that one....thanks again

[Oyster]

9/0 is going in the right direction, but my favorite would be dough balls made from crushed Wheaties moistened with strawberry soda. GAR-RON-TEED

[DORIGHT]

thought people put so much time into catching carp:spam: I remember in Tenn/va people would cuss up a storm, when they hook up to one. And even remember ponds and small lakes being drained because so many carps were in there, and they wanted to get rid of them....But to each his own...one man junk is another man....:rolleyes: :spam: :fishing: :p :p i have to admit kids at least have a blast catching them.....i wonder how long of a fight on a mini setup:rolleyes:

I'll hopefully be down your way sometime this year during one of the runs and you can show me a thing or two. For now I'll take what I can get !!!!! Even if it's carpis-maximus..... :fishing: :--| It aint fair man !!!!

[chris storrs]

caraway seed rye bread...on a Gami bass dropshot style hook, kinda like a salmon egg hook but bigger..gap is about the size of a dime...has been surefire for me in the past sightcasting to carp in chesdin....use doughballs about the size of a nickel or smaller..

[Sea2aeS]

carp are spawnin right now. thats the reason you see em in packs. theyre trying to pin the females against the shore & spawn. female lays eggs, the boys rush in to be the first to splooge all over the eggs. the thrashin around against the shore is the males fighting over who fertilizes em first. they try to muscle each other off the eggs so they can take the time to lay the crop so to speak.

and no its pointless tryna catch em, they wont feed for another 2 weeks atleast. its recoup time in the deep, then back into the shallows for lazy crusing till summers end. they feed heavy before the spawn and then again in late summer in early morning and late afternoon. carp are what i consider to be freshwater drum. fight just like em.:)

[DORIGHT]

carp are spawnin right now. thats the reason you see em in packs. theyre trying to pin the females against the shore & spawn. female lays eggs, the boys rush in to be the first to splooge all over the eggs. the thrashin around against the shore is the males fighting over who fertilizes em first. they try to muscle each other off the eggs so they can take the time to lay the crop so to speak.

and no its pointless tryna catch em, they wont feed for another 2 weeks atleast. its recoup time in the deep, then back into the shallows for lazy crusing till summers end. they feed heavy before the spawn and then again in late summer in early morning and late afternoon. carp are what i consider to be freshwater drum. fight just like em.:)

I was thinkin the same thing about the feeding thing and figured one if not both would not eat for a while...This is a relatively small lake and i can walk it in about an hour....so you say i should look for em deep in a few weeks and then there back up when it gets hot ?...There used to be a alot of big bass in this lake but since the have made it a public park...:--| It's been fished out....and i know these things fight well...so what the heck....

[Fishbreath]

:D 1 cup yellow corn meal
1 cup water
2 teaspoons of flavoring (vaniila extract, syrup, crushed mullberries:D )

boil water add ingrediants
lower the temp half way and stir until firm and easily rolled into a ball

Use a number 10 hook (small) some use trebles

cast out and let it set

hang a "teller" on your line and watch it closely

Let the fish suck on the bait until the line starts to straighten out (make sure your drag is set)

set the hook:D :D

What BR said works very well. I like to make my dough with strawberry jello added to the corn meal (coarse grind) if no mulberries are around.

If mulberries are around (especially if the tree is hanging out over the water), scrap everything else and just use mulberries on a small treble hook with one of the hooks snipped off. Put a couple of berries on the hooks, using light line, no weight and 'plop' it right into the water. It should sink but if it doesn't, don't worry, they'll come up and suck 'em in. Then...HOLD ON TO YOUR POLE!!! :D

[bigphil]

Plenty of ways to do it. Sometimes it comes down to just plain old luck. Topwater: Bread, or cheese puff balls. Bottom fishing: a #6 treble hook loaded with as many kernels of corn as you can manage.

Other options that work when they wont bite. Snagging. Rig a treble hook a couple feet above a sinker tied at the end of your line. Reel in fast, until you see your hook just beyond the fish, let it sink a second or so, then jerk your rod down quick and hard to set the hook. Hook one in the tail and the fight is even better. You might be able to make a double dropper rig using trebles instead of singles. :D

My prefered method is to just shoot them with a bow. Serious fun right there. I miss spring on Melton Hill lake in TN. Son, we shot carpzilla one day. It kicked the arrow out.:eek:

Alot of times when you see them sunning they wont bite a thing.

[fishingrod]

Walk around your lake and look for mulberry trees. Around June is when the berries will start to fall into the water.

http://www.carpanglersgroup.com/mulberrycarp.html

[Sea2aeS]

fish deep for em. then as summer progresses fish shallower early & late. fish the bottom, with whole kernel corn.

[gundalba]

Them being a herbivores, you may find it a bit trickier to fish.
Here is what the people in far east do (and been doing it for SOME time;) )
1. Some gluten base (usu. crushed steamed rice)
2. roasted and crushed sesame seed (usu. ones discarded after their oil extraction)
3. dried shrimp powder (not required, I would experiment with Japanese dried bonito powder as well:rolleyes: )
4. mix them up to a dough like consistency - this is the tricky part which I can not explain well as they need to change depending on various conditions.:(

Or;
http://www.wikihow.com/Create-the-Perfect-Carp-Bait

Or get one of these (there are tons of different brands in both Asia and Europe:D )
http://www.marukyu.com/eng/marukyu/gluten_bread_about.html

If they are anything like their Asian cousin, prepare for a good fight...;)

P.S. There is special hook and sinker combination setup for this kind of bait but it might be next to impossible to find from US B&T shops...

[rhorm]

:fishing: I know the feeling josh. I wish we could of hooked up when I was in the ATL. I used to go to Chattahoochee by Bull Sluice lake and catch em on corn. Nice little fight when you are missing the salt. Never got into any of those lanier stripers though. You have any luck with em? :D :D

[DORIGHT]

:fishing: I know the feeling josh. I wish we could of hooked up when I was in the ATL. I used to go to Chattahoochee by Bull Sluice lake and catch em on corn. Nice little fight when you are missing the salt. Never got into any of those lanier stripers though. You have any luck with em? :D :D

Not yet....I've been hitting Tybee a good bit this year...but have been doing my homework on the stripers...it seems as if there moving up through the rivers now...on a good note though i hear there's an older gent. thats useing a "PIN RIG" set up from shore and doing well.....Take care