My constitutional rights...

[TreednNC]

allow me to share this with you guys ;).

With the exception of a few good men (and women...yall know who u r ...dogg lol)...New Jersey is eat up with *#@(ING IDIOTS! The best thing a homeless man could do is kill somebody in New Jersey. He'd have a warm place in the winter and a cold place in the summer, 3 square meals a day and cable TV for the rest of his days. Why be scared of the law when there is no law to be scared of??? I still like the idea of sending them to God to let him sort it out once a jury of twelve peers deems you guilty...and the "well it may save a few innocent lives" is a BS excuse. The percentage of guilty lives taken to innocent far outweighs the effects of lack of justice. No other countries barring the UK or some other liberal country give you as much chance as the US.

Sorry for the rant, but it burns me when our country backs down on steps taken to keep criminals off of the street because of some bleeding heart do gooder hind t!t suckers.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071217/ap_on_re_us/death_penalty_new_jersey

[lipyanker]

treednc

Im with you ,this is why the criminals are starting to run this country they are not afraid of the repercussions of their actions if they kill a cop or someone else they get three hots and a cot, cable tv, a jailhouse girlfriend and a direct line to some of the best coke(not soda) in prison.

[TreednNC]

treednc

Im with you ,this is why the criminals are starting to run this country they are not afraid of the repercussions of their actions if they kill a cop or someone else they get three hots and a cot, cable tv, a jailhouse girlfriend and a direct line to some of the best coke(not soda) in prison.

EXACTLY. Guess who pays for it? Ive never heard of a state or federal bake sale, have you?

[lipyanker]

EXACTLY. Guess who pays for it? Ive never heard of a state or federal bake sale, have you?


If they ever did have a bake sale they would probably have the best hash brownies:D

but seriously I hate to see my dollars housing some these character who have spent many years of their lives ruining the quality of life of hard working tax paying individuals. Its a shame because some of these habitual criminals effect the innocents life in a way which they will never recover. yet the bad guys get out with a check and orders to get a job if not he can commit a crime again and go to razor wire hilton:mad:.

[RuddeDogg]

I look at it this way. I have solved the cost of the death penalty issue. It's really simple. it costs about 36 per round of good .45 cal federal ammo, or just 6 cents if ya re-load your own.

[TreednNC]

Dogg you got some sense. Tell those people up there theyre doing more harm than good

[TreednNC]

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/sexy-posters-used-in-nj-jailbreak/20071217165409990001

See...shoulda fried their @$$ and this wouldnt have happened.

[Flipper]

...and the "well it may save a few innocent lives" is a BS excuse. The percentage of guilty lives taken to innocent far outweighs the effects of lack of justice.

I'm not taking a stance for or against capital punishment at this time.

However, I will say that the above quoted statement is extremely misguided. If only one innocent life is taken in error, that's too many.

[TreednNC]

I'm not taking a stance for or against capital punishment at this time.

However, I will say that the above quoted statement is extremely misguided. If only one innocent life is taken in error, that's too many.

Youre right with that. I will admit that. My point however, being, that in due amount of time (maybe towards the end of my lifetime) crime rates will increase, thus taking more innocent lives.

[jhmorgan]

Not saying I am for OR against, but its been proven that due to the amount of apeals, time on death row, procedural expenses and actual executions, it is actually "cheaper" to house someone for life rather than execute them..

[TreednNC]

Thats understandable, and some say theyd rather die than sit in jail for life, but then again, if proven guilty, especially in this day in age with all the CSI capabilities, dont let em have a chance to stay that long

[RuddeDogg]

"An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth and a life for a life" Nuff said.

[VICIII]

"An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth and a life for a life" Nuff said.


And make it public. Death penalty will only work if it is public so other people think of doing that crime see the results... And you do not wait for appeals. Not all guilty verdicts will qualify. But the overwhelmingly "CSI" proof or red hand type would. Make it happen quickly with out appeals.
Death penalty will only work as a scare tactic.

[ballquest]

O.K. If those bleeding hearts and those of you that are trying to stop the one mistake; here is the solution: put him(her) into hard labor for the next 40 years. Walla,we the (tax supporters) get something back on feeding and housing. If that person refuses to work ,put them in the hole.(solitary) on reduced rations,sence they arent going to work. If at 20 years or 1 year ,he decides that this is enough and he finnaly admits his crime. then exicute him(her) Of course they would have to give all the details of their crime to prove to the state that they did in fact do it. Then the state has the best witness they could ask for. Old Wise Bison

[ballquest]

Good morning Vic, your up early. I'm stuck back here in oh. for the hollidays. se ya in 10 da. or so.

[VICIII]

Well the only reason you would use the death sentence is because you want to scare or change the minds of other to do like crimes. If that is not it why kill him? Make him work to help raise money to pay for his own court cost and some more to pay for his own jail time. Any excess bring to our schools and try to educate our children to compete with the rest of the world.

[Flipper]

Why can't we just stick to the plan. If the defendant in a capital case is proved guilty without a doubt, just execute him. If proved guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" then give them a life sentence without the possibility of parole.


Interesting thoughts, but those aren't the legal standards and just not the way the legal system works. The system changes very, very slowly and for good reason. Nobody (almost) wants the guilty to get off, or to get off easy. Although not perfect, what we have in place is still the best legal system in the world, in my opinion.

[VICIII]

The system changes very, very slowly and for good reason. Nobody (almost) wants the guilty to get off, or to get off easy. Although not perfect, what we have in place is still the best legal system in the world, in my opinion.

Totally agree...:cool:

[redneckranger]

Is stoning off the table yet how about Cruxcifying some of those SOB Drawing and Quartering or Beheading, Screw Lethal Injection its not inhumane enough

Animals do have rules they get put in cages Human are Animals
You want to act like a beast you should get treated like on that will lower the crime rate make jail and the death penalty something you don't want to have to endure. I say let them be lucky to get a pile of straw and bread and water

[TreednNC]

Opinions are opinions, but right and wrong will always be just that. Why not make it public?

[SALTSHAKER]

Blood type and dna all those convicted of a crime and found guilty... then use em for body parts, lungs, kidneys etc....

[Jesse Lockowitz]

allow me to share this with you guys ;).

With the exception of a few good men (and women...yall know who u r ...dogg lol)...New Jersey is eat up with *#@(ING IDIOTS! QUOTE]



hrmmm


[QUOTE=fishbait;365513]OMG! I feel like I'm getting dumber by the second while reading this thread..

mhm




Jesse

[TreednNC]

Fishbait, why not an eye for an eye?

[RuddeDogg]

Making them public is the same as putting them on TV, a BAD idea. Reason being is that you're gonna get some wing nut who wants to be famous/infamous and go to some mall and waste a bunch of people just he/she can have an audience. The problem is the system itself. IF you are found guilty by a reasonable doubt abd senteced to death you get to file appeal after appeal and that is just palin stupid. It's a sad day when the criminals have more rights than thier victims.

[TreednNC]

Making them public is the same as putting them on TV, a BAD idea. Reason being is that you're gonna get some wing nut who wants to be famous/infamous and go to some mall and waste a bunch of people just he/she can have an audience. The problem is the system itself. IF you are found guilty by a reasonable doubt abd senteced to death you get to file appeal after appeal and that is just palin stupid. It's a sad day when the criminals have more rights than thier victims.


True. Atleast you had the courtesy to answer dogg. Im fine with it not being public, just curious as to why the death penalty is so bad. I like Doggs point of view on this.

[RuddeDogg]

What's bad a death row inmate has years and years of appeals to delay his/her punishment for the crimes they commited. They say that the death penalty is cruel and unusual, I say BULL S**T!!!!!! What is cruel and unsual is the vctims family knowing that the person that committed these horrible crimes can live and have the amenities that we have at home, TV, stereo etc. Visits from their family and freinds although be it through a glass window. Where do the families of the victims go to see thier loved ones, a cemetary to talk to a stone. On the flip side of this coin you have DA's and judges that too chicken s**t to push for the death sentence let alone hand it down.

Case and point:

In 1994 my department suffered the loss of having an officer killed in the line of duty. He was the first officer EVER killed in the history of my department. I was one of the dispatchers that sat the desk the night this happened. The county prosecutor, superior court judge and even our chief of police did not press the issue of the death penalty. The excuse was they did not want a long drawn out trial. Are you F-N kidding me!!!!!! So this piece of crap will spend the rest of life eating 3 squares a day etc, etc, etc at the cost of tax payers dollars. Yes I work for the system but I will be the first in line tellin ya the system sucks!!!!

[TreednNC]

Case closed. Theres no reason for low life killers to sit in jail for the rest of their lives. Get rid of em or put them to work. Slavery was abolished, and killing was supposed to be too, let em lose theyre rights as people and put them on the highway crew or prison farm, or zap em.

[redneckranger]

I say we even execute Jay walkers and anyone who has had more than 2 parking tickets