Easy short spider

[Cdog]

First off the video did not come out as nice as I wanted so I apologize. Since I have a cheap camera there is no audio to help explain it but I will try.

First you take and double your line like you would for a normal spider.Then double that line by creating a loop with left pointer finger and hook original loop on right finger. Twist with left finger three times and then come back through the loop on left finger with the loop on the right finger and since it up pulling on both the main line and the tag end and then since tight. I then tied the no name making sure to go through the second loop formed not back through the first loop. Hope this makes sense.

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x47/1fisher/?action=view&current=MOV00306.flv


As you can see in this pic the spider is less than 3" where when I tie them the old way I have a hard time getting them under 5-6".

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x47/1fisher/spidernoname.jpg

[basstardo]

What knot are you tying from the loop to the shocker? I'm using the no-name, and I intentionally make the loop in the spider longer in order to make it easier to tie the knot.

[cygnus-x1]

What knot are you tying from the loop to the shocker? I'm using the no-name, and I intentionally make the loop in the spider longer in order to make it easier to tie the knot.

I make my loop about 5 inches because I like 7 wraps for my no name knot. I do realize that there is a chance of the loop catching ... I never noticed this before.

[Cdog]

What knot are you tying from the loop to the shocker? I'm using the no-name, and I intentionally make the loop in the spider longer in order to make it easier to tie the knot.

Its a no name.

I make my loop about 5 inches because I like 7 wraps for my no name knot. I do realize that there is a chance of the loop catching ... I never noticed this before.

I use 3, 4 max.Never had a failure. When I have tried to use more I have a hard time getting the knot sinced even with lots of spit.

[sand flea]

You've got to be kidding me! That is exactly the redone version of the spider I was talking about at Wilber's. I spent hours trying to figure out the geometry of that knot and an easier way to tie it.

Instead of going around the thumb, you take the bottom loop and twirl it four times, then pass the loop back through it.

[AL_N_VB]

You've got to be kidding me! That is exactly the redone version of the spider I was talking about at Wilber's. I spent hours trying to figure out the geometry of that knot and an easier way to tie it.

Instead of going around the thumb, you take the bottom loop and twirl it four times, then pass the loop back through it.

sounds like bible material. Purty werk Clay....

[bstarling]

...Clay. It took me 3 seconds to tie it. I think the first time I saw it was when Tater was showing me how to tie knots!:D

Thanks for sharing.
Bill:fishing:

[Cdog]

...Clay. It took me 3 seconds to tie it. I think the first time I saw it was when Tater was showing me how to tie knots!:D

Thanks for sharing.
Bill:fishing:
Like son like dad. Kenny showed me that during the striper tourney. He had tried to describe it but seeing was understanding for me.

[Fishbreath]

Nice job on the video and description Clay! I use that knot a lot, and it just made it easier. :D

[Ian]

I use a bloodknot been using it for years,simple knot to tie,it never lets me down when tied correctly,im real anal when i tie my shock on,thats a pretty knot in all but i think its little much,bloodknot might not be a 100% i think its like 85% or something like that but thats where your drag comes in play if you lock down your drag on a big fish,your asking to break him off thats why 100% knots really dont matter unless your fishing offshore for big yellowfin etc using braid to mono,(you cant teach an old salt new tricks)peace put

[TreednNC]

I use a bloodknot been using it for years,simple knot to tie,it never lets me down when tied correctly,im real anal when i tie my shock on,thats a pretty knot in all but i think its little much,bloodknot might not be a 100% i think its like 85% or something like that but thats where your drag comes in play if you lock down your drag on a big fish,your asking to break him off thats why 100% knots really dont matter unless your fishing offshore for big yellowfin etc using braid to mono,(you cant teach an old salt new tricks)peace put

Have you talked to Old Salt/Phart Kenny Wilson?? Why use less when it's easy to have 95-100%

[Cdog]

I use a bloodknot been using it for years,simple knot to tie,it never lets me down when tied correctly,im real anal when i tie my shock on,thats a pretty knot in all but i think its little much,bloodknot might not be a 100% i think its like 85% or something like that but thats where your drag comes in play if you lock down your drag on a big fish,your asking to break him off thats why 100% knots really dont matter unless your fishing offshore for big yellowfin etc using braid to mono,(you cant teach an old salt new tricks)peace put

Ian, I was just trying to help with a new way of tying the spider. I was in no way saying its the best or only knot someone should use. My opinion is the best knot out there is the one you tie the best and more importantly, you have confidence in. You have confidence in the blood knot and I have confidence in the spider. I'm sure we both have caught nice fish on our favorite knots.:)

[Ian]

hey i remember when every body got crazed out on albrights my friend tied one on for me and sure enough it broke,the bloodknot been being used for a very long time,theres nothing wrong with the bloodknot,keep it simple,and lifes a breeze.Cdog you coulnt have said it more perfectly!

[TreednNC]

hey i remember when every body got crazed out on albrights my friend tied one on for me and sure enough it broke,the bloodknot been being used for a very long time,theres nothing wrong with the bloodknot,keep it simple,and lifes a breeze.Cdog you coulnt have said it more perfectly!

I can agree with that as well ;)

[Cdog]

I tried to get the video better but my camera sucks on video. So here is pics with description.Hope this makes sense.

VIDEO (http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x47/1fisher/?action=view&current=MOV00306.flv)

1st, double line like for a regular spider.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x47/1fisher/spider001.jpg

Next, double that line with one loop on left finger and original loop on right.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x47/1fisher/spider002.jpg

Next, twist left finger three or four times.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x47/1fisher/spider003.jpg

Next, reach through loop on left finger and bring original loop through.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x47/1fisher/spider004.jpg

Here I have the original loop through the left loop.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x47/1fisher/spider007.jpg

Pull left loop and even up with right hand.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x47/1fisher/spider008.jpg

and we are done.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x47/1fisher/spider009.jpg

[eric]

i can tie my spiders about 1"

but then tying the the shocker is hard .
so i use a nail knot.
with a short 1" tube, its very easy as there arent coils uncurling everywhere.

[Cdog]

i can tie my spiders about 1"

but then tying the the shocker is hard .
so i use a nail knot.
with a short 1" tube, its very easy as there arent coils uncurling everywhere.
With this method if you are not careful you can end up with a 1" spider.Much too short for a no name.I'll have to try the nail.Thanks for the tip.

[lil red jeep]

While sitting in jail last night, I was practicing knots with some of the birds nest material I seem to be collecting lately and tried this! OMG what a great knot! It took a minute or three to figure which part looped into what, but this is a great wat to tie the spider hitch! Thanks

p.s. tried the BT also:mad: sticking with the hitch for now!

[Charlie2]

I surf fish and use a shockleader. I have the theory that two small(er) knots will pass through guides easier than one large one.

I either braid my shockleader and main line together or use a spider with a Bristol or no name knot. It is a very strong connection which holds up real well. C2

[Excalibur]

I hadn't seen this post before so I looked at it when someone suggested it as a quick way of tying a spider.

This looks a lot like a knot that I've seen elsewhere called a 'blood bight' knot...(used for tying dropper loops)

http://www.carlylelake.com/Fishing/Knots/bloodbight.htm

Does it look the same to you or am I just misunderstanding the pics posted in this thread ?

I've always used the albright but thought I might try the spider to no-name as a quicker, easier connection to tie on the beach at night. (wanted a shorter spider so that the distance between the 2 knots is less than my reel's spool circumference.

Thanks,
Mark

[Cdog]

I hadn't seen this post before so I looked at it when someone suggested it as a quick way of tying a spider.

This looks a lot like a knot that I've seen elsewhere called a 'blood bight' knot...(used for tying dropper loops)

http://www.carlylelake.com/Fishing/Knots/bloodbight.htm

Does it look the same to you or am I just misunderstanding the pics posted in this thread ?

I've always used the albright but thought I might try the spider to no-name as a quicker, easier connection to tie on the beach at night. (wanted a shorter spider so that the distance between the 2 knots is less than my reel's spool circumference.

Thanks,
Mark

You could be onto something.

They do look similar and today while showing a friend the knot I tied it twice in a row and when I held the line out it looked like a well tied bottom rig.

I think I am going to start tying my bottom rigs this way as the loop really seemed to stick out straight and is easier to do than a dropper loop.

[ChesBay Jay]

You could be onto something.

I think I am going to start tying my bottom rigs this way as the loop really seemed to stick out straight and is easier to do than a dropper loop.

You could be right but the dropper loop is fast & easy for me following this method:

http://www.splashvision.com/video/4010_Dropper-Loop.html

[Cdog]

You could be right but the dropper loop is fast & easy for me following this method:

http://www.splashvision.com/video/4010_Dropper-Loop.html

Sweet, thats a lot easier then the way I had been trying to tie em. Thanks!

[dirtyhandslopez]

Yepper, that's the knot I use for dropper loops. If you put more twists in it, the loop stands out more. A coupla' things; you can cut one end of the loop for more bait action, attaching the hook to one end, and, steel tackle stylee, slide a small tube(cotton swap, ear cleaner with ends cut off) over the dropper loop and use a snelled hook to the loop. This method really keeps the snell from getting tangled and casts well because it is light. Then, if you really want to get fancy, slide a small hook with the point cut off up the line, put a twist in it and hook your baited hook to it. Stops helicoptering.