Gonna need bail money

[RuddeDogg]

Cause my tax man is in deep S**T when I find him!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Filed my taxes like I always do using TaxAct.com. Never had a problem with them at all. Even went as far as to have my return direct deposited in my checking account taking ten days off the waiting time. Check was supposed to be in my account on February 1st but they said allow 48-72 hours for the check to clear. No problem right? WRONG!!!!! So I'm waiting formy check nothing. So I go up on the IRS website and I get a message that there is a problem and they are holding my return. So I call Uncle Sam and they tell me that per their records I DID NOT FILE a return for 2003 and 2004!!!!!. I'm like you're f-n kiddin me right. So I go through MY papers and can't find my returns from those years, but find the letters he sent stating that my taxes were done. Now I did owe in 2001 and 2002 so I just thought that they kept my returns. I call the guy who used to do my taxes, a brother fire fighter in my old company and POOF he has pulled a Houdini. Gone, no where to be found. His office is even closed and up for sale. So the IRS says that I'm not getting my return until they have those returns. Now according to them I can still file for those years and IF they owe me money they will send i t and of course if I owe they will keep what I owe and send the remaining balance. So I go to my employer to get a copy of my w2's for those years and get the tax forms for 2003 and 2004 off the IRS website and had to file the long way which was a pain in the a$$. Turns out that I am not the only one that this has heppend to. Others in my old company are starting to have the same problem and one guy now owes the Feds almost $9 grand becuase of this. When I asked the guy at the IRS why they didn't catch it sooner he said that I got lucky.:eek::eek::eek: BULL S**T!!!!!!! Someone I thought was a close trusted friend screwed me and didn't even kiss me first!!!!!!!!!! Sorry guys I just needed to vent a little cause I'm pretty pissed. So after blasting the IRS guy and apologizing I did the paperwork and sent it off. We'll see what happens.

[Fish Hunter]

Yep deep doooo. Because now they have you redflagged. They are going to watch you for about 5 years or so.

That blows big time.

[Finger_Mullet]

They are not easy to work with. A lady I work with sold her business (child care) in 1997. She paid her taxes each year she thought. She discovered that she did not file taxes in 1992. Her husband at the time was supposed to take care of that part but failed to. The next year they got divorced and she had to buy his part of the house and business. So when she filed taxes last year she told the accountant. He said she woudl have to file and pay late fees.

Well, she filed and they said she owed $57,000.00. She had kept all the money from her selling the business. She would pay the $57,00.00 out of that and learn from her mistakes. She hired a tax lawyer to settle the matter. In the coming months the IRS decided to audit each and every year since the start of her business to the present. By the time they were finished she owed over $150,000. They added late fees, interest. They hammered her hard. By the time she was finished she paid them every dime she had from the sale of her business. She received a letter a month later that she owed $7,000 more. I think they finally dropped it. She is free and clear with the IRS but she paid them every pennys she had.

All of this because her loser hubby did not file her taxes in 1992 and he was a partner in the business. He did not have to pay a penny for some reason even though he owned 1/2 of it at the time.

And the IRS does not care what the reasons are. They want their money and they want it now. It does not matter whos fault it was. It is your taxes and your are ultimately responsible.

Dogg, I wish you the best.

Darin

[HellRhaY]

al capone wasn't caught for murder or bootlegging, but he went down for tax evasion.

i really hate the IRS, they take our hard earned money and give it to stupid lazy idiot moron people who sits on their ass waiting for the government to help them.

[BubbaBlue]

Man, Dogg, that sucks. Bad enough you got to deal with the IRS now but the problem was caused by a brother fire fighter. :(

If you haven't yet, you ought to post the story and his picture on every fire fighter board out there... just in case the scum bag tries the scam again. Even if he doesn't, maybe another company will let you guys know where he is so he can get the @ss whoopin he deserves.

Man, that sucks... :(
.

[basstardo]

Brother I feel your pain. I screwed up and didn't file in 2002 and 2003, but I could have sworn I did. Those were some heavy partying days, so it slipped my mind I guess. They didn't do anything about it until last year when I had a big return coming. They kept that, and I still owed some. Got it all straightened out though. Damn sure sucks when it comes out of nowhere to bite ya in the arse. :mad:

[rattler]

DANG...i feel for you...I had a very well known company that said it would back me up tell me it was OK to put $150 a week into taxes...I was gonna get a boat...NOT...I was told by the IRS that the the gov is not a bank...got busted for excesive witholdings...cost me $4500...bye bye boat...fought it for 4 months and my TAX COMPANY said she gave me bad advice and no longer works there...so, I had nothing I could do...

[Fishbreath]

Hey Dogg, I'm no tax accountant but I do believe he is partially at fault if he signed the forms as tax preparer. IF you find the guy, hit him where it really hurts, his pocket book. Get the forms he signed, and use as evidence.

[saltandsand]

Really sucks. Taxes are a pain alone and trusting another to act responsibily and being bunked makes it worse.

I believe we have an instance of professional misfeasance (failure to act) or most likely nonfeasance (failure to act properly and results in harm.) (Could be malfeasance if he was an enrolled agent but not likely since IRS will disclaim.) Not really a topic for any fishing forum. You may be entitled to waiver of any penalties and interest, you need to properly present to IRS to avoid this result. Any re-filing costs caused by this lack of resposibility may also be recovered, but then you have to find the person who split...probably not worthwhile. PM me if you want to discuss.

[oldsalt]

Guys if you don't sign and mail your return you know it wasn't sent.:rolleyes::rolleyes::cool:

[RuddeDogg]

I DID sign the returns and he guaranteed there would be NO problems. Never had any problems with him in the past. Don't know what happend.

[rattler]

Fight It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RuddeDogg]

Been fightin it ever since I found out. Been dealing with a great guy at the IRS. Unfotunately, like oldsalt hinted at, I should have been right on top of things. I'm still responsible for MY taxes. The one good thing is I faxed him all the letters that my tax guy sent me and the other guy that it happend to has done the same thing. The IRS guy said they will look into it and take it from there.

[saltandsand]

Been fightin it ever since I found out. Been dealing with a great guy at the IRS. Unfotunately, like oldsalt hinted at, I should have been right on top of things. I'm still responsible for MY taxes. The one good thing is I faxed him all the letters that my tax guy sent me and the other guy that it happend to has done the same thing. The IRS guy said they will look into it and take it from there.


For the filings in question, did you write a check for taxes due or did you receive a rebate? If you wrote a check to the IRS, did it clear?

[RuddeDogg]

NO, the way the IRS explained it was that I had to re-file for those years ( which I did) and if THEY owed me money I will get a rebate for those years. If I owe, they will take what I owe out of those returns and send the remaining balance.

[Mark G]

I'm trying to get my head around the entire scenario.

A few things aren't clear. You said you owed money in 01 an 02. Was payment not made when the returns for those years were filed?

03 and 04 returns seem to have not made it to the IRS. You said you redid the forms for those years. In that case you should now know what the result should have been, ie whether they owe you a refund or you owe additional taxes for those two years. I guess I 'm saying if you did the claculations, THEY, the (IRS) shouldn't have to tell you the result , it should be clear from the tax form.

You said you signed the forms ( the ones that apparently never made it to the IRS) At the time of signing it should have been clear to you - either you had a refund coming or you owed the IRS.

Either way - at the time you signed you should have walked out with the knowledge that either- you were getting a refund- and the exact amount- or you would have been asked to write a check to cover the taxes owed. Sorry this happened Dogg, it is puzzling.




I'm going to throw a caution out there to anyone who has a buddy do there taxes for them. If you are due a refund, the (buddy) has the opportunity to put HIS bank account number down in the direct deposit information- thereby routing the return funds to his bank account. Sure it will get traced back to him(eventually), but if he is doing this for a lot of folks, he might be tempted to "walk" away with everyone's refund

THis has nothing to do with Dogg's situation- I just thought it might be worth mentioning.

[basstardo]

The only plus is if they owe you a refund, you get interest on the amount they've held. The down side is if you owe, they get interest on what you owe for all those years. Found that out the hard way. I paid several hundred in interest alone.

[Mark G]

DANG...i feel for you...I had a very well known company that said it would back me up tell me it was OK to put $150 a week into taxes...I was gonna get a boat...NOT...I was told by the IRS that the the gov is not a bank...got busted for excesive witholdings...cost me $4500...bye bye boat...fought it for 4 months and my TAX COMPANY said she gave me bad advice and no longer works there...so, I had nothing I could do...


This one is even stranger than Dogg's situation. Not sure what you mean by it "cost" you $4500.

It's true the the IRS is not a bank. Excessive witholdings are returned at the end of the year via your tax refund. Excessive withholdings means the government is getting to hold your money interest free. It is in everyones best interest to attempt to have the correct amount withheld each period, so that you are neither due a huge refund or faced with coming up with a large tax due when it is time to file.

I can't imagine that you were fined or the government elected to "keep" the excessive withholdings- that is why I'm puzzled with the statement that it "cost" you $4500. ( the only thing lost would have been the interest you would have gained by putting the excess withholdings in the bank, instead of sending it to the IRS.

[RuddeDogg]

Surf Cat,

Yes, I owed in 01 and 02. They kept my returns, but I still had to pay because my returns didn't cover what I had owed. I worked alot of overtime those years and made more than I have ever had in my 19 years on the job.

Second, 03 and 04 WERE NOT sent to the IRS by my tax man. He told me that I was due returns, BUT....(my fault), I did not ask and just signed the papers. I never had any reason to doubt or mistrust him. When I did not get my returns I just simply thought that I owed again and the IRS kept my returns. YES I know, STUPID ME. Yes, I had to refile the tax forms for those years, which I did last week and if I figured it right I should get returns for both years. I guess they go over it and if I'm correct I'll get a return for each year. This has been a hard lesson learned.

[Mark G]

Surf Cat,

Yes, I owed in 01 and 02. They kept my returns, but I still had to pay because my returns didn't cover what I had owed. I worked alot of overtime those years and made more than I have ever had in my 19 years on the job.

Second, 03 and 04 WERE NOT sent to the IRS by my tax man. He told me that I was due returns, BUT....(my fault), I did not ask and just signed the papers. I never had any reason to doubt or mistrust him. When I did not get my returns I just simply thought that I owed again and the IRS kept my returns. YES I know, STUPID ME. Yes, I had to refile the tax forms for those years, which I did last week and if I figured it right I should get returns for both years. I guess they go over it and if I'm correct I'll get a return for each year. This has been a hard lesson learned.


well, sounds like your on the way to getting everything straightened out.

hope they don't impose late filling fees on you with this problem -- perhaps they will understand & waive them....i forgot to include income from an investment for each of my kids one year -- even paying em only one month late the late fees were staggering!

I don't think late fees or penalties will apply in this case, (assuming there is a refund due), and Dogg will most likely be able to collect interest if there was. At this point nothing to do but wait and see what they come back with.

Good Luck Dogg.

:fishing:

[rgking03]

Dogg,

Find him and beat him with a wet 1.5 fire hose... And them drag him behind the truck..:eek:

[fyremanjef]

Hey Dogg. You on TWD? i'd burn that guy there. I know lots of MD & PA guys are on there.

I go to a guy for my taxes. Im glad he hasn't screwed me yet. 2 years ago, I was with one of his associates. He had me owing money. I ask the partner guy to look them over, and yep, I was due a refund.

I get copies of the draft copies that they submitt. and copies of what is submited. direct deposits are deposited based on the week or period that they are submitted.

Hopefully things work out. But yeah, like Bubba Blue said. I'd post that. If not, let me know, i'll put it up there for you. You said from your company. is that your fd department or your place of work?

cuz if its a brother firefighter, well snitches get stiches, not sure what some one who lets the IRS screw you gets, but it can't be good.

[RuddeDogg]

Thanks guys,

Jeff he and I were in the same fire company. Rumor has it that he moved to Canada, but no one knows where. He will get his. What goes around comes around.

[VICIII]

i really hate the IRS, they take our hard earned money and give it to stupid lazy idiot moron people who sits on their ass waiting for the government to help them.

So True...
Tax guys are not responsible for our taxes... They prepare them and we say OK when we sign....

Buyer Beware.

[Fish Hunter]

Bottom line is as stated many times. When you sign the return, look it over and ask questions. I use a CPA firm that is local and its expensive, but they stand behind all their work and I work with the same person year after year.

All I know is that things are tighter for everyone and the IRS is going to start tighting up, as their jobs are on the line after the new election.

If this country goes to a Fair Tax postion eventually, then make sure your arse is covered between now and then.