UFOs and Aliens

[Metallica20687]

do you believe?

I've been a firm believer for years, have witnessed something i could not explain, and have a friend who is completely about aliens being our future (good or bad i dont know) but ive listened to him preach about it for hours on end and hes got some points...having to do with 2012... the mayans... etc etc.

[fishedn]

do you believe?

I've been a firm believer for years, have witnessed something i could not explain, and have a friend who is completely about aliens being our future (good or bad i dont know) but ive listened to him preach about it for hours on end and hes got some points...having to do with 2012... the mayans... etc etc.

I want some of what he's smoking

[JeepMike]

I do agree with you there is some fascinating stuff out there regarding the topic. Unfortunately most of it is psuedo science or inconclusive. I still want to believe!!!

[shark21]

How can we be so self centered, as a pople, to belive that earth is the only planet in the universe to harbor life. Spend enough time on the beach at night and you will see things in the sky that will make you go "hmmmmmm"

[saltandsand]

How can we be so self centered, as a pople, to belive that earth is the only planet in the universe to harbor life. Spend enough time on the beach at night and you will see things in the sky that will make you go "hmmmmmm"


Good point. And why would we be so self centered to think they'd want to come visit us, given the fact that we're like off in the far corner of Siberia in a cosmic sense (way out of the way...)?

[TreednNC]

do you believe?

I've been a firm believer for years, have witnessed something i could not explain, and have a friend who is completely about aliens being our future (good or bad i dont know) but ive listened to him preach about it for hours on end and hes got some points...having to do with 2012... the mayans... etc etc.
JeepMike, I smoke pot, i work 50 hours a week, also donate to 2 charities out of every paycheck, and i do many activities, but im a loser in your book. Ill keep my book closed for the sake of this thread.


No offense to you Metallica, have seen you around here for a while and dont hold a thing against you, as you psot good reports and never been out of line with anybody as far as I can remember, and I post this in good fun.... but I just cant help but make a correlation here :eek::D;)

[JeepMike]

Heck I was out on the pier last night and about 5 of us saw 2 glowing orange lights. Maybe it was the 12 pack I knocked down all afternoon or not, but it was cool!
None of us knew what it was. Prob some fighter jets, we see tons of them cruising the coast.

[redneckranger]

I thin SNS has a point whats to say were are all alone

[TreednNC]

Heck I was out on the pier last night and about 5 of us saw 2 glowing orange lights. Maybe it was the 12 pack I knocked down all afternoon or not, but it was cool!
None of us knew what it was. Prob some fighter jets, we see tons of them cruising the coast.

Was out stalkin ducks in the sound one day in Dec 05 and they commenced to dog fightin over the sound.....knew them things could manuever but d@mn. Ive seen my share of jets, and heard em, but that had to be the loudest commotion Ive heard. Couldnt hear somebody standing 10ft from you if they were yelling at ya.

Used to have Google earth on my puter and found 2 F-18s flying just offshore of Pea Island near the boiler.

[sprtsracer]

Heck I was out on the pier last night and about 5 of us saw 2 glowing orange lights. Maybe it was the 12 pack I knocked down all afternoon or not, but it was cool!
None of us knew what it was. Prob some fighter jets, we see tons of them cruising the coast.

Are you sure they weren't some of those "glowing bobbers"???:D

[Desperado]

Good point. And why would we be so self centered to think they'd want to come visit us, given the fact that we're like off in the far corner of Siberia in a cosmic sense (way out of the way...)?

Ahh, finally an interesting topic in the lounge (aka "the soapbox"). Talk about self centered j/k:D Never seen anything of the sort, or convinced either way, but fascinated in the subject nonetheless. Make no mistake. Our planet is no galactic "Siberia". Could it be that we have got something going on here? Something that is very valuable. This planet is not just a dead rock, nor a giant ball of ice, nor a huge burning ball of gas. We've got the most valuable thing in the universe right here. Life.

[Lipyourown]

The wierdest thing I have seen has been over the bay late at night off PLO. I thought these fast moving green lights in the sky must have been jets way up until they made right angle turns/ 90 degee turns w/out losing speed. Very fast objects. Who knows but 3 different people on the boat said WT hell was that?

[saltandsand]

Two questions, one comment, and summary question.

1. Life? Please define.

2. Does a place this include more than one dimension?

Comment: Assume life occurs in different places, where the places never come to be located on the same dimension. Assume life in each dimension, yet the life forms are totally excluded from each others presence by physics, meta physics or some similar aspect of science that is yet to be known.

Question: Could they even be aliens of each other if it is absolutely impossible that they will ever be together in a singular dimension? Now assume that remnants are left behind as the life forms shift between dimensions so that they know of the existence of the other but are still absolutely and totally precluded from ever being together in the same singular dimension at the same time?

(Notice the similarity with the old "if a bear craps in the forest and nobody sees it, did it still happen?" argument--although not entirely the same.)

[Fishbreath]

The wierdest thing I have seen has been over the bay late at night off PLO. I thought these fast moving green lights in the sky must have been jets way up until they made right angle turns/ 90 degee turns w/out losing speed. Very fast objects. Who knows but 3 different people on the boat said WT hell was that?

That sounds like a bad combination of vodka and Crystal Light....:p ;)

[JeepMike]

Two questions, one comment, and summary question.

1. Life? Please define.

2. Does a place this include more than one dimension?

Comment: Assume life occurs in different places, where the places never come to be located on the same dimension. Assume life in each dimension, yet the life forms are totally excluded from each others presence by physics, meta physics or some similar aspect of science that is yet to be known.

Question: Could they even be aliens of each other if it is absolutely impossible that they will ever be together in a singular dimension? Now assume that remnants are left behind as the life forms shift between dimensions so that they know of the existence of the other but are still absolutely and totally precluded from ever being together in the same singular dimension at the same time?

(Notice the similarity with the old "if a bear craps in the forest and nobody sees it, did it still happen?" argument--although not entirely the same.)


Life = Carbon based.

2.) As far as we know; three dimensions. It is easy to believe in multiple dimensions when you begin to dive into quantum mechanics, which I personally find fascinating. I will dig up the links but there have been experiments in which a dot has been made to appear in 2 places at once. It is not 2 different dots, it is the same dot in 2 places at once, the science behind it is simply incredible. :D:popcorn:

[drawinout]

Personally, I believe there is 100 percent life on other planets in the galaxy. Now I don't necissarily believe they have oblong heads and big black eyes, lol!! I just believe there has to be some life, whether it be as simple as bacteria, or something even more complex than human beings. Now as far as little flying saucers flying around, I'm not so sure about that one. I mean we are 4.27 lightyears from the nearest star, lol!!! For those doing the math, that's over 24 TRILLION miles from the earth. It would interesting to find life out there some day though, but I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes. So, yeah, I absolutely think there is life in some shape or form out there somewhere. I don't really feed in to the idea that we've been "visited" or anything like that though. I guess anything is possible.

[saltandsand]

Life = Carbon based.

2.) As far as we know; three dimensions. It is easy to believe in multiple dimensions when you begin to dive into quantum mechanics, which I personally find fascinating. I will dig up the links but there have been experiments in which a dot has been made to appear in 2 places at once. It is not 2 different dots, it is the same dot in 2 places at once, the science behind it is simply incredible. :D:popcorn:


So if it's two dots that appears to be in two different places is the image itself two different dots? Or conversely, if two dots appear to occupy exactly the same place are the two dots actually the one that they appear to be? Getting at.... are things what they really are or what they appear to be? If things are what they really are but we cannot sense or detect them (even with aid of devices), are they really there? Or are things only what they appear to be through our senses and any device?

Carbon chauvinism aside, what about silicon? (I know someone's gonna make the obvious comment here)... Here's a thought provoking article: http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/05/non-carbon-life.html

I recall hearing something about life thriving on the deep sea volcanic vents that lived off of compounds other than carbon.

Guess it's difficult to talk about aliens when it's not easy to decide what they are, let alone what they could be made of. Could like be a rock on a moon of Jupiter that somehow ages and dies? If it dies then it must have been alive, correct?

[saltandsand]

Personally, I believe there is 100 percent life on other planets in the galaxy. Now I don't necissarily believe they have oblong heads and big black eyes, lol!! I just believe there has to be some life, whether it be as simple as bacteria, or something even more complex than human beings. Now as far as little flying saucers flying around, I'm not so sure about that one. I mean we are 4.27 lightyears from the nearest star, lol!!! For those doing the math, that's over 24 TRILLION miles from the earth. It would interesting to find life out there some day though, but I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes. So, yeah, I absolutely think there is life in some shape or form out there somewhere. I don't really feed in to the idea that we've been "visited" or anything like that though. I guess anything is possible.

Is it possible that there's an alien planet out there full of alien creatures that resemble each and every woman that has ever been in Hugh's house... except the planet has the right stuff so that you'd never ever die or get old... now that's a nice alien possibility :D

[TreednNC]

theyre sitting there watching us through their crystal ball, snickering and going " those stupid SOB's still havent found us"


but yes, Im self centered and believe we are the one and only life out there

[JeepMike]

So if it's two dots that appears to be in two different places is the image itself two different dots? Or conversely, if two dots appear to occupy exactly the same place are the two dots actually the one that they appear to be? Getting at.... are things what they really are or what they appear to be? If things are what they really are but we cannot sense or detect them (even with aid of devices), are they really there? Or are things only what they appear to be through our senses and any device?

Carbon chauvinism aside, what about silicon? (I know someone's gonna make the obvious comment here)... Here's a thought provoking article: http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/05/non-carbon-life.html

I recall hearing something about life thriving on the deep sea volcanic vents that lived off of compounds other than carbon.

Guess it's difficult to talk about aliens when it's not easy to decide what they are, let alone what they could be made of. Could like be a rock on a moon of Jupiter that somehow ages and dies? If it dies then it must have been alive, correct?


As wierd as it sounds SnS, the dot physically existed in 2 different places at the same time. I will have to find the links, can't do too much googling at work. But yeah it was impressive!!

[Desperado]

Life? Please define.

Opposite of lifelessness. Biological, geological, & any other logical you can think of... :D

What is it that some of our scientists are looking for elsewhere? Evidence of life, past or present, and/or a habitat capable of supporting life. If there is someone or something out there, looking for similar things, this planet would be very interesting. That is one just one reason that "they'd want to come visit us, given the fact that we're like off in the far corner of Siberia".

And who is to say we're in the far off corner of Siberia anyway, it all depends on your point of reference.

[outfishin28]

I mean we are 4.27 lightyears from the nearest star, lol!!! For those doing the math, that's over 24 TRILLION miles from the earth.

however,

a mile and a light year are just a measurement we give on a distance. to an alien a mile might be the distance we think an inch is, what is to say that 4.27 light years is just 4.27 miles to them?

[saltandsand]

As wierd as it sounds SnS, the dot physically existed in 2 different places at the same time. I will have to find the links, can't do too much googling at work. But yeah it was impressive!!


Please do put up the link. Is the second dot an alien??

[saltandsand]

however,

a mile and a light year are just a measurement we give on a distance. to an alien a mile might be the distance we think an inch is, what is to say that 4.27 light years is just 4.27 miles to them?

If their measurements are on such an immense scale, then aren't we kinda like the flea on the back of a flea on the back of the dog? They'd skip right past us like a surf fisherman heading on down the the beach and missing that 3 carat diamond sitting in the sand right next to where he parked.

[saltandsand]

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NEW AMINO ACID FOUND IN SPACE:

http://i37.tinypic.com/2rf7z28.jpg

amino acid article (very interesting): http://www.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de/public/pr/pr-nitril-en.html

Which leads to another question: Are we aliens? Namely, did we come from outer space (and not from the Earth itself?) I recall reading an article awhile back about a study that traced the composite materials in a human body to ancient origin, and that the composite materials themselves are older than the planet.

[Desperado]

however,

a mile and a light year are just a measurement we give on a distance. to an alien a mile might be the distance we think an inch is, what is to say that 4.27 light years is just 4.27 miles to them?

That's an interesting point. From our perspective, the stars seem to be unreachably distant. But perhaps distance is not the issue, but the shortness of our own lives. The distance would be no big deal to a being with a much longer lifespan.

[drawinout]

That's an interesting point. From our perspective, the stars seem to be unreachably distant. But perhaps distance is not the issue, but the shortness of our own lives. The distance would be no big deal to a being with a much longer lifespan.

There are endless possibilities really. There is no telling. I'm not by any means a skeptic, but I won't be a true believer until we have some hard facts. I do believe there is a high probability that we aren't the only planet with some form of life in the galaxy. All the documentaries on the science channel on the subject can be really interesting.

[Metallica20687]

Man, i love the responses. TREED i smoke, i dont do acid...LOL.

Anyhow i saw something similar to the previous posted "bright light able to move at 90 degree angles without slowing down"
it was a white light, moved back and forth, changing directions without stopping or slowing down, finally picked a direction to keep going and disapeared. As far as my friend believing aliens are our future...he also thinks that we are an mixed bred version of aliens/cave men type people. i dont know what to say to him normally when he talks about the stuff...its damn good entertainment and its hard not to believe some of the things he says.

All in all none of us will ever know until we are face to face with a little green man....our planet is a mere spec of dust in an endless open area.

Again thank you guys for that input...very entertaining.

[JeepMike]

Please do put up the link. Is the second dot an alien??

HAHAHA not it's not an alien! Here is an article I found that sort of lays it out in plain english. Note one interesting part of the article touches on the mere act of observation will change the outcome of the dynamic quantum experiments. If you want more/deeper info, by all means, lemme know...


http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jun/cover/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[saltandsand]

HAHAHA not it's not an alien! Here is an article I found that sort of lays it out in plain english. Note one interesting part of the article touches on the mere act of observation will change the outcome of the dynamic quantum experiments. If you want more/deeper info, by all means, lemme know...


http://discovermagazine.com/2005/jun/cover/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

From the article: What nobody can explain is why the universe seems split into these two separate and irreconcilable realities.

Somebody tried... best to date is E = mc2 is a mathematical proof, but IM (very humble) O it fails to explain the power of the equal sign (=).

Electrons and photons are one thing, but try and move a nuetron...well other than uranium.

Is there another alien (biologic) invader coming soon to a town near you? :D

[J_Lannon]

The wife said there are no aliens, and she's the boss!

[baitslingin]

we've had proof since the '80s :D:D
http://i35.tinypic.com/s3hnhu.jpg[

[TreednNC]

Man, i love the responses. TREED i smoke, i dont do acid...LOL.


Im just messing with ya lol......cant ever tell what it might be laced with though if it aint home'brew' lol

[outfishin28]

this was making me think,

if the universe started with a central big bang, where all the matter in the universe was infinatly dense. and then for some reason this super dense space matter became so dense that is exploded spanning out 360 degrees x 360 degrees around (the exact calculation is 4*PI in steradians (i think)), any way picture that as the Earth, with the center of the universe (as we know it) being the center of the Earth, now that would make us a fixed point on the Earth's surface which has some place directly correlating to it on the complete other side of the Earth, that would make more planets for possible life, but then think on an even larger scale, say our planet is just a universe or dimension, for every planet we know about there is another universe, or dimension. which leads me back to the previous statements about lifespan and distances, kinda makes us seem quite minuscule doesn't it?

[drawinout]

WOW! After reading some of your responses, I think I know how it feels when you stare at the sun too long!! lol

[Mark G]

That's an interesting point. From our perspective, the stars seem to be unreachably distant. But perhaps distance is not the issue, but the shortness of our own lives. The distance would be no big deal to a being with a much longer lifespan.


orrr, a much, much faster mode of transportation :)

Beam me up Scotty :beer:

[redneckranger]

You know this is what happens when your in the sun too long fishing

Or staring out over the endless waters at night or what have you

[Mark G]

this was making me think,

if the universe started with a central big bang, where all the matter in the universe was infinatly dense. and then for some reason this super dense space matter became so dense that is exploded spanning out 360 degrees x 360 degrees around (the exact calculation is 4*PI in steradians (i think)), any way picture that as the Earth, with the center of the universe (as we know it) being the center of the Earth, now that would make us a fixed point on the Earth's surface which has some place directly correlating to it on the complete other side of the Earth, that would make more planets for possible life, but then think on an even larger scale, say our planet is just a universe or dimension, for every planet we know about there is another universe, or dimension. which leads me back to the previous statements about lifespan and distances, kinda makes us seem quite minuscule doesn't it?

Say what ???

I though folks gave up on geocentrism a long time ago :p

Oh ye of little faith, how dare you start a statement on the big bang with the word if

:D

[redneckranger]

next someone is gonna say the world is flat

[outfishin28]

Say what ???

I though folks gave up on geocentrism a long time ago :p

Oh ye of little faith, how dare you start a statement on the big bang with the word if

:D

remove the word Earth and add, beachball, peach, basketball, or any round object..............




next someone is gonna say the world is flat

I did once cast over the side of the ocean while trying to hit a school of spanish.:D

[redneckranger]

:D I tried that but the other side just throw it backremove the word Earth and add, beachball, peach, basketball, or any round object..............






I did once cast over the side of the ocean while trying to hit a school of spanish.:D

[Desperado]

orrr, a much, much faster mode of transportation :)

Beam me up Scotty :beer:

You're exactly right, going faster would help. But that opens up a whole other can of wormholes... :p

:D BTW, hey Surf Cat, that's my name. You must be one of them psychics? ;)

[steve grossman]

The only aliens I have ever come in contact with, were both of my nutty ex-wives.

I married both of them, which makes me crazy as a fruit cake, therefore, I MUST BE FROM OUT OF THIS WORLD.....

[RuddeDogg]

I have seen some strange stuff in my time. I can't believe that WE are the onlys ones ariund given the shear size of the univere.

[drawinout]

There's definitely life out there!!! I watched a documentary the other day called "Planet of The Apes". It was the same as here on earth, only with apes!!!! lol

No, but I do believe there has to be life out there somewhere. We are only on the brink of what scientific discoveries are to come. I mean, not thirty years ago we thought all life depended on the sun. Then we realized methane vents thousands of miles below the ocean's surface support life. We also thought life couldn't exist at X degrees below zero. Then we found dormant bacteria in the ice caps. There is life out there, and eventually I believe we will find it, just not in our life time. I just think if you're looking for little green men and flying saucers, you may be a bit dissapointed. However, as I said earlier, I certainly wouldn't mark anything off the list. There really is no telling what we may find in future years. Hell, you have to remember, a little over a century ago the idea of man made flight hadn't even been realized. I believe one day we will find some type of life out there, but I certainly don't think it will be in our life time. Anything is possible I suppose, and if/when we do find life, it will definitely have a major impact on all we know now.....

That being said, I'm going to go stare at the sun some more. I think I may have just seen a martian. Anybody have any alien urine??? I need to cover up my scent. I'm going to shoot that SOB when he gets in range!!!!!!

[saltandsand]

The wife said there are no aliens, and she's the boss!

My wife IS an alien and I love every time she takes me on a trip to outer space. Yep, she's got the right direction and don't bother me in the least. Her and I are going the same place, been that way ever since the day our souls met. I feel blessed.

[VICIII]

There's definitely life out there!!! I watched a documentary the other day called "Planet of The Apes". It was the same as here on earth, only with apes!!!! lol

No, but I do believe there has to be life out there somewhere. We are only on the brink of what scientific discoveries are to come. I mean, not thirty years ago we thought all life depended on the sun. Then we realized methane vents thousands of miles below the ocean's surface support life. We also thought life couldn't exist at X degrees below zero. Then we found dormant bacteria in the ice caps. There is life out there, and eventually I believe we will find it, just not in our life time. I just think if you're looking for little green men and flying saucers, you may be a bit dissapointed. However, as I said earlier, I certainly wouldn't mark anything off the list. There really is no telling what we may find in future years. Hell, you have to remember, a little over a century ago the idea of man made flight hadn't even been realized. I believe one day we will find some type of life out there, but I certainly don't think it will be in our life time. Anything is possible I suppose, and if/when we do find life, it will definitely have a major impact on all we know now.....

That being said, I'm going to go stare at the sun some more. I think I may have just seen a martian. Anybody have any alien urine??? I need to cover up my scent. I'm going to shoot that SOB when he gets in range!!!!!!

Now this was right on... No mayans and 2012 problems here.
2012 is just when the calender runs out and changes to the next phase like going from 1999 to 2000 so it won't change the world..

[JeepMike]

Now this was right on... No mayans and 2012 problems here.
2012 is just when the calender runs out and changes to the next phase like going from 1999 to 2000 so it won't change the world..

so we hope.... duh duh duunnnhhhhh.. hahahaha :beer::D