thoughts on tonights debate

[Lip Ripper]

Mccain hit a home run:):):):):):):):):):):)

[drawinout]

Yeah, I have to agree. I think Mccain really stepped it up a notch this go around. The way he got "up close" with the people asking the questions really helped him. That Teddy Roosevelt line was killer!!!!

[stupidjet]

too bad this is a popularity contest and not a presidential election.

[Al Kai]

Mccain hit a home run:):):):):):):):):):):)

Yes he did.

[wolfva]

Unfortunately I missed it...curse me for needing to sleep once in awhile! Now I wish I had gotten up to watch it. It'd be nice, though, if they'd shelve all the negative ads and spent more time explaining why we should vote for them instead of why we shouldn't vote for the other guy...

[lil red jeep]

Yeah, I have to agree. I think Mccain really stepped it up a notch this go around. The way he got "up close" with the people asking the questions really helped him. That Teddy Roosevelt line was killer!!!!

Would that be the Teddy Roosevelt line he prefaced by saying Teddy Roosevelt was his idol, only three minutes after saying Ronald Reagan was his idol? I guess at his age, remembering who his idols are is getting harder and harder to manage after three minutes. Besides, he knew them both!

I also liked the part where McCain said he knew what it was like to be in the middle class and have to struggle. He had been there his whole life. Granted, as the son of a Navy Admiral you're not living in a castle, but you ain't hurting like the other 95% of people. McCain hasn't known a moment of hardship in his entire life so I think he should spare us all by trying to relate to our economic hardships.

Granted, David Gergen and Bill Bennett work for CNN, which as was pointed out to me by someone recently stood for "Clinton News Network", these guys are both Republicans and BOTH said Obama won the debate. I think the home run was a foul tip!

[HellRhaY]

so a person can't have 2 idols?:confused:

[Lightload]

I also liked the part where McCain said he knew what it was like to be in the middle class and have to struggle. He had been there his whole life. Granted, as the son of a Navy Admiral you're not living in a castle, but you ain't hurting like the other 95% of people. McCain hasn't known a moment of hardship in his entire life so I think he should spare us all by trying to relate to our economic hardships.

Now that's about the silliest statement I've heard in awhile!!!:confused:

[RuddeDogg]

Mccain hit a home run:):):):):):):):):):):)

yep

[hamlet]

... McCain hasn't known a moment of hardship in his entire life ...

um... you want to stick with this one?

[Fishing_Feud]

McCain hasn't known a moment of hardship in his entire life so I think he should spare us all by trying to relate to our economic hardships.


I think your statement above sums up your views for most of us here.

I beleive the time he spent in the Hanoi Hilton far exceeds most hardships (economic or otherwise) most of us Americans have ever faced.

Shame on you!

And young feller don't whine about your economic hardships if you have the money to be a P & S subscriber.

McCain clearly outscored that Irish lad O'bama lasnight.
Its hilarious how the media sided with O'bama but I think the Middle Class clearly knows who the winner was. Shame on the f**ing media too.

[J_Lannon]

Would that be the Teddy Roosevelt line he prefaced by saying Teddy Roosevelt was his idol, only three minutes after saying Ronald Reagan was his idol? I guess at his age, remembering who his idols are is getting harder and harder to manage after three minutes. Besides, he knew them both!

I also liked the part where McCain said he knew what it was like to be in the middle class and have to struggle. He had been there his whole life. Granted, as the son of a Navy Admiral you're not living in a castle, but you ain't hurting like the other 95% of people. McCain hasn't known a moment of hardship in his entire life so I think he should spare us all by trying to relate to our economic hardships.

Granted, David Gergen and Bill Bennett work for CNN, which as was pointed out to me by someone recently stood for "Clinton News Network", these guys are both Republicans and BOTH said Obama won the debate. I think the home run was a foul tip!



I think you got ahead of yourself. The guy was tortured for 5 years by Jane's comrades in North Vietnam.

[Dogg Fish]

Man, Lightload is carrying a VERY light load under his hat. That has to be one of the most stupid statements I have heard in my entire life. Yeah, McCain doesn't know anything about hardship!!!???!!! Several years in a Vietnamese prison camp is just like a vacation at a posh resort, I'm sure.

[Kenmefish]

fishing fued
It cost $20 a year to subscribe to P&S. I am on a fixed income and can afford that.
If you are that poor and cannot support, okay but do not try to take support from the site.
Some of us use it for fishing info and would be hurt if Matt had to close it down.

[Kenmefish]

Dogg Fish
It was not light load that wrote that, read before you jump.

[drawinout]

Would that be the Teddy Roosevelt line he prefaced by saying Teddy Roosevelt was his idol, only three minutes after saying Ronald Reagan was his idol? I guess at his age, remembering who his idols are is getting harder and harder to manage after three minutes. Besides, he knew them both!

I also liked the part where McCain said he knew what it was like to be in the middle class and have to struggle. He had been there his whole life. Granted, as the son of a Navy Admiral you're not living in a castle, but you ain't hurting like the other 95% of people. McCain hasn't known a moment of hardship in his entire life so I think he should spare us all by trying to relate to our economic hardships.

Granted, David Gergen and Bill Bennett work for CNN, which as was pointed out to me by someone recently stood for "Clinton News Network", these guys are both Republicans and BOTH said Obama won the debate. I think the home run was a foul tip!

Well, I'm certainly not trying to argue with you LRJ. I do disagree with you saying Mccain never faced any hardship. And the line he quoted from Teddy Roosevelt went something like, " I talk soft, walk soft, and carry a big stick. Well, Obama talks loud and walks hard". It went something like that. I thought it was pretty funny.

[Dogg Fish]

oops, very sorry. My bad!

[Malakas07]

I also liked the part where McCain said he knew what it was like to be in the middle class and have to struggle. He had been there his whole life. Granted, as the son of a Navy Admiral you're not living in a castle, but you ain't hurting like the other 95% of people. McCain hasn't known a moment of hardship in his entire life so I think he should spare us all by trying to relate to our economic hardships.

I think it's obvious that LRJ is talking about economic hardships. You guys bringing up the hanoi hilton are blowing this way out of proportion.

and I'm going to have to agree. McCain was neither poor nor rich but he cannot relate to most americans.

McCain's weakest link is the economy and he is completely out of touch with Americans in this area. So yes, spare me your economic hardship stories
and stick to appealing to the firm values that drive the republican base.

[Al Kai]

I think it's obvious that LRJ is talking about economic hardships. You guys bringing up the hanoi hilton are blowing this way out of proportion.

and I'm going to have to agree. McCain was neither poor nor rich but he cannot relate to most americans.

McCain's weakest link is the economy and he is completely out of touch with Americans in this area. So yes, spare me your economic hardship stories
and stick to appealing to the firm values that drive the republican base.

During Sentor McCains time in the Hanoi Hilton, he also suffered economic hardship as well. Prisoners of War dont walk around with wads of cash.

To say that John McCain never endured economic hardship is completely out of touch with reality. As a Prisoner of War he endured ALL forms of hardship.

[Fishing_Feud]

fishing fued
It cost $20 a year to subscribe to P&S. I am on a fixed income and can afford that.
If you are that poor and cannot support, okay but do not try to take support from the site.
Some of us use it for fishing info and would be hurt if Matt had to close it down.


Okay but exactly how did I try to take support from this site? (This should be good)

I'll save you some time, I said to LRJ:
QUOTE I beleive the time he spent in the Hanoi Hilton far exceeds most hardships (economic or otherwise) most of us Americans have ever faced.

Shame on you!

And young feller don't whine about your economic hardships if you have the money to be a P & S subscriber. END QUOTE

Not that its your business but I'm not a member by choice. I figure I'll get the boot after I subcribe like so many others:p

[Malakas07]

During Sentor McCains time in the Hanoi Hilton, he also suffered economic hardship as well. Prisoners of War dont walk around with wads of cash.

To say that John McCain never endured economic hardship is completely out of touch with reality. As a Prisoner of War he endured ALL forms of hardship.

Most of the time I agree with you but this is a BS argument.

You cannot in any way shape or form compare the hardship of being a prisoner of war to average american economic hardships.
apples to grapefruit comparison here.

A student has a hard time securing funds for the next term of his college education. Are you going to say that McCain
completely understands this students education hardships due to the fact that he had a period of no education during
his stint in the hanoi hilton?

To say that McCain understands ALL types of hardships due to his stay at the hanoi hoilton is completely out of touch with reality and quite honestly comical.

[Fishing_Feud]

To say that McCain understands ALL types of hardships due to his stay at the hanoi hoilton is completely out of touch with reality and quite honestly comical.


Im sure being a POW would be the worst type of hardship anyone could ever face. Not knowing when or if your next meal was coming, thinking going home, being torturrd, etc.. That is something I pray that none of us will ever have to endure. Money is just a material thing almost to the point of a luxury.

[sprtsracer]

Most of the time I agree with you but this is a BS argument.

You cannot in any way shape or form compare the hardship of being a prisoner of war to average american economic hardships.
apples to grapefruit comparison here.

A student has a hard time securing funds for the next term of his college education. Are you going to say that McCain
completely understands this students education hardships due to the fact that he had a period of no education during
his stint in the hanoi hilton?

To say that McCain understands ALL types of hardships due to his stay at the hanoi hoilton is completely out of touch with reality and quite honestly comical.

Do you really think, for one minute, that not having enough money to pay your tuition for the next semester even COMPARES to what Sen. McCain went through??? Do you think not being able to afford food even COMPARES to what he had to eat??? Do you even think for one minute that not being able to pay your electric bill even COMPARES to having NO light or electricity, or TV, or radio, or A/C, or a fan even, or no plumbing, no toilet, and for damn sure no government office to run to to take care of these things??? Not even a week old NEWSPAPER!!! Trust me, the HOMELESS in this country have it better than he did!!! Convicted felons of CAPITAL CRIMES have it better than he did. Add that to the daily beatings!!! Say what you want to about sitting around the dinner table trying to figure out how to pay your bills, but he didn't even have a dinner table and had NO communication with his family. Oh...but Joe Biden says you're only patriotic if you pay more taxes!!! Joe Biden has NO CLUE what the meaning of PATRIOTIC is!!! I'm not trying to take away the need to help people in this country, but ALL of you better thank John McCain and those like him for the fact that we still have a country that WILL help them...and that college student better thank John McCain for the fact that he even has a SHOT at having his tuition paid for!!!DO NOT think John McCain doesn't know economic hardships and DO NOT think he doesn't sympathize with those who face them!!!

YOU, my friend, are "out of touch with reality and quite honestly comical" to those of us who know better!!!

Damn...as much as I hated it, I wish we still had the draft!!!

[Al Kai]

Most of the time I agree with you but this is a BS argument.

You cannot in any way shape or form compare the hardship of being a prisoner of war to average american economic hardships.
apples to grapefruit comparison here.

A student has a hard time securing funds for the next term of his college education. Are you going to say that McCain
completely understands this students education hardships due to the fact that he had a period of no education during
his stint in the hanoi hilton?

To say that McCain understands ALL types of hardships due to his stay at the hanoi hoilton is completely out of touch with reality and quite honestly comical.

John McCain was a Prisoner of War for Five and a half years.
This is far more than just a "stint" as you say.

To say he is unable to feel the frustration of a student who has a hard time securing funds for education is absurd.

He has endured more suffering in five and a half years as a Prisoner of War than you could ever imagine. You seem to trivialize his suffering by calling his sacrifice a mere "stint at the hanoi hilton".

This is a sad reflection of the current mindset held by some people.

[lil red jeep]

Im sure being a POW would be the worst type of hardship anyone could ever face. Not knowing when or if your next meal was coming, thinking going home, being torturrd, etc.. That is something I pray that none of us will ever have to endure. Money is just a material thing almost to the point of a luxury.

O.K., Perhaps I should have said he has not faced economic hardships like the rest of us. Granted, his time as a POW was horrific. However, if being a POW makes one qualified to be President of the United States, then wouldn't it stand to reason that Stockdale would have been qualified to be VP under Perot? Now Perot was a whack job, but as a POW, Stockdale endured at least what McCain did and every one thought he was nuts during the campaign. Being a POW is NOT what makes someone the best choice to be President.

[Malakas07]

John McCain was a Prisoner of War for Five and a half years.
This is far more than just a "stint" as you say.

To say he is unable to feel the frustration of a student who has a hard time securing funds for education is absurd.

He has endured more suffering in five and a half years as a Prisoner of War than you could ever imagine. You seem to trivialize his suffering by calling his sacrifice a mere "stint at the hanoi hilton".

This is a sad reflection of the current mindset held by some people.

stint –noun-a period of time spent doing something: ex. a two-year stint in the army.

I'm sorry next time I will seek approval on the vocabulary of choice. :rolleyes: Nice spin btw. I respect his patriotism and imo am honestly amazed at what he had to endure.

yes or no question

Does the fact that John McCain being a prisoner of war for five and half years qualify him to understand the everyday struggles of average American hardships?

[bctom]

Most of the time I agree with you but this is a BS argument.

You cannot in any way shape or form compare the hardship of being a prisoner of war to average american economic hardships.
apples to grapefruit comparison here.

A student has a hard time securing funds for the next term of his college education. Are you going to say that McCain
completely understands this students education hardships due to the fact that he had a period of no education during
his stint in the hanoi hilton?

To say that McCain understands ALL types of hardships due to his stay at the hanoi hoilton is completely out of touch with reality and quite honestly comical.


This is the mindset of todays youth. What's in it for me. Looking at the news, at shots of wall street trading, what would the age be of the traders??? don't see to many gray or white heads in the bunch that I saw.
America's youth is not owed a damn thing. Get off you ass and work for what you want, and you will be surprised at the feeling you have.
Better yet let me shackle you to a concrete slab, tie you hands behind your back, tie your ankles together then tie your hands to your feet, wonder how long you would last before you threw in the towel and spilled your guts out.
So dude, unlest you have been there or have friends that went through it, you cannot even seen to know what is was like to be tortured.
And by the way, I spent 4 1/2 years in SEA, 20th SOS USAF door gunner.

[J_Lannon]

Most of the time I agree with you but this is a BS argument.

You cannot in any way shape or form compare the hardship of being a prisoner of war to average american economic hardships.
apples to grapefruit comparison here.

A student has a hard time securing funds for the next term of his college education. Are you going to say that McCain
completely understands this students education hardships due to the fact that he had a period of no education during
his stint in the hanoi hilton?

To say that McCain understands ALL types of hardships due to his stay at the hanoi hoilton is completely out of touch with reality and quite honestly comical.


I almost always agree with your reasoning, and the politeness in your responses on here. But I have to disagree with you.

I have to wonder if John McCain wished he was just a struggling student instead of being a POW during those years. Or, maybye wished for Baloney sandwiches for lunch, while we bitch if we have it for lunch two days in a row.

I'm not saying being a POW qualifies anyone for president. But he's running against a guy who would consider it torture, if he were to hold his hand over his heart during a simple national anthem.

[Al Kai]

stint –noun-a period of time spent doing something: ex. a two-year stint in the army.

I'm sorry next time I will seek approval on the vocabulary of choice. :rolleyes: Nice spin btw. I respect his patriotism and imo am honestly amazed at what he had to endure.

yes or no question

Does the fact that John McCain being a prisoner of war for five and half years qualify him to understand the everyday struggles of average American hardships?

Yes.

[sprtsracer]

I don't like to repeat myself, but since this carried over from a previous page, I WILL!

...YOU, my friend, are "out of touch with reality and quite honestly comical" to those of us who know better!!!...

[QUOTE=Malakas07;448660]stint –noun-a period of time spent doing something: ex. a two-year stint in the army.

I'm sorry next time I will seek approval on the vocabulary of choice. :rolleyes: Nice spin btw. I respect his patriotism and imo am honestly amazed at what he had to endure.

yes or no question

Does the fact that John McCain being a prisoner of war for five and half years qualify him to understand the everyday struggles of average American hardships?

In answer to your question...a MOST DEFINITE YES!!!

Of course, I'm sure his trials and tribulations can't even compare to all the "hardships" Barrack Obama grew up with...having to grovel at the feet of AYERS and cow-tow to AL-MANSOUR (Main spokesperson for a Saudi Prince and former member of the PLO) to get his tuition paid at Harvard! Not to mention all those "torturous years" as an attorney for ACORN(Hmmmmmmmmm...where did I hear about them recently??? Colorado maybe...where their "Community Organizers" were registering the "Dallas Cowboys to vote??? :D

I also hate to think of the "anxiety" he faced when he entered into that real estate deal with TONY REZKO (now in prison), or the pain he must have felt while waiting to see if he'd get the blessing of HASSAN NEMAZEE, the Iranian - American Investment Banker and one of Obama's $500K-plus top bundlers. Mr. Nemazee created Nemazee Holdings in the early 1970s and began his career in financial services by establishing a joint venture between himself and AIG which, at the time, was unique for the insurance giant to enter into. Does this company sound familiar? That's right, it's been driven into the dirt. HASSAN is a major democratic party contributor. Known to hedge his bets, he donates vast sums of money on behalf of his unemployed family members. In 2007, his unemployed family members gave over $75,000.00 in individual contributions to democrats. His wife, Sheila, donated $4600.00 to the Clinton campaign as a homemaker; and another $4600.00 to Clinton as Chairman of the Nemazee corporation (that title belongs to Hassan). $9,200.00 from one person, when $2,300 is the maximum individual contribution per campaign. That is Illegal, and a mystery as to why this man hasn't been charged as these donations are clearly being abused and are being funded by one man.

Of course, he was probably "deprived" when he visited Kenya, his father's homeland, and met with RAILA ODINGA, the Prime Minister of Kenya under a recently formed coalition government, borne out of accusations of fraud. In August 2006, Obama visited Kenya and spoke in support of Mr. Odinga's candidacy at rallies in Nairobi. Odinga has since brokered deals with Muslims to institute Sharia (Muslim law). As head of Kenya's opposition party (Orange Democratic Movement) Odinga ran his campaign on a platform of "change" (Did Obama steal his slogan?). ODINGA encouraged ethnic violence in the wake of the election that has killed hundreds, and displaced hundreds of thousands, and claims to be a first cousin of Obama.

I can't even imagine poor Barrack's thoughts as he sweated out the results of his meeting with POUL NYRUP RASMUSSEN, a European Socialist, former Prime Minister of Denmark, Member of the European Parliament, and President of the Party of European Socialists (PES). In 2007 PES held a meeting in the Democrats HQ in Washington, meeting with officials of the party and Democrat members of Congress (Howard Dean and Bernie Sanders, amongst others), and agreed that PES activist groups in various U.S. cities would start working together. Rasmussen has been in talks with Obama aides to gain EU economic influence in U.S. economic policy.

How "nervous" he must have been when he met with GEORGE SOROS, Gun banner extraordinaire, Drug liberalization magnate, 527 group financier, Black Wednesday's chief profiter, and a DNC supporter who formerly endorsed Obama November 12th, 2007. Obama reportedly first met George Soros in March 2004, and was the only candidate Soros met in 2004. On June 7, 2004, Obama was in Soros' New York home for an Obama campaign fund raising event. Obama met with George Soros in Soros' mid-town Manhattan office. After an hour interview, Soros took Obama into a conference room where a dozen plutocrats waited to talk with Obama. Among them were UBS (Union Bank of Switzerland/Swiss Bank) U.S. chief Robert Wolf, and hedge fund manager Orin Kramer. In mid January 2007, after Obama announced his campaign, Wolf ran a dinner for Obama in Washington, with potential bundlers Jim Torrey, Brian Mathis, Jamie Rubin, and (again, from the original Soros meeting) Orin Kramer. By mid-April, Wolf raised $500,000 for Obama. The ties between Soros and Wolf are ominous. Wolf is a top bundler for the Obama campaign. Of course, Obama did the "right thing" and refused Federal Campaign Financing, LOL!!!

I can DEFINITELY see where Obama has it "all over" McCain" when it comes to being able to sympathize with that poor college student and the "middle class American Family"!!!

If you guys think that his association with Ayers is the only "questionable" association out there, just you wait!!! All of it has yet to come to light!!! You've only seen the TIP of the iceberg!!! Throw in JOHNSON and RAINES and we have a pretty damn interesting mix!!! Of course, when the Mainstream Media REFUSES to report any of this, then few people know about it. When people blindly follow him, fail to check his record, and put total faith in what he says, then these facts never come to light. Feel free to "Google" ANY of these guys!!! Do a little background check. Maybe, also, you can explain how he got into Harvard and also how he managed to become Editor of the "Harvard Law Review" without ever having written anything for it...EVER!!!

I'm still waiting to see how the illegal contribution of T-shirts to his campaign from Palestine, of all places, comes out and who was behind that!!!

Yes, I CERTAINLY feel his pain and can see how he, more so than McCain, can easily identify with the poor disadvantaged college students and struggling American families!!! After all, 5 1/2 years of torture and deprivation are NOTHING compared to what that poor college student is going through, and doesn't even hold a candle to Obama's "struggles"!!! If Obama were sitting next to me now, I would have absolutely no problem telling him, "I feel your pain, man!"...and then promptly throw up on his shoes!!!

[Blackbird]

IMHO McCain won the debate, but it was BORING, thanks to Brokaw's filtering of the questions. I'd really expected some fireworks, that McCain would take the gloves off, but no such luck. But in the interest of helping Obama, who feels such empathy for his fellow man and those how are suffering, lets all walk the walk instead of just talking the talk. Let's establish a penny jar at each of our favorite piers. Every time we go fishing we could drop a penny or two in-why, in no time at all I think we'd raise $12, which we could send to Obama's half brother in kenya, and double his standard of living for a whole year! If Obama won't do it, we should take the initiative, and sleep soundly, knowing in our hearts that we have done the right thing.

When are people going to WAKE UP and realize that regarding our selection for the next president of the United States, CHARACTER COUNTS. And between McCain and Obama, there is NO COMPARISON, any way you want to look at it.

[drawinout]

IMHO McCain won the debate, but it was BORING, thanks to Brokaw's filtering of the questions. I'd really expected some fireworks, that McCain would take the gloves off, but no such luck. But in the interest of helping Obama, who feels such empathy for his fellow man and those how are suffering, lets all walk the walk instead of just talking the talk. Let's establish a penny jar at each of our favorite piers. Every time we go fishing we could drop a penny or two in-why, in no time at all I think we'd raise $12, which we could send to Obama's half brother in kenya, and double his standard of living for a whole year! If Obama won't do it, we should take the initiative, and sleep soundly, knowing in our hearts that we have done the right thing.

When are people going to WAKE UP and realize that regarding our selection for the next president of the United States, CHARACTER COUNTS. And between McCain and Obama, there is NO COMPARISON, any way you want to look at it.

I didn't really get this post at all.

[HellRhaY]

I didn't really get this post at all.
si habla englis?

[BubbaHoTep]

I didn't really get this [Blackbird's]post at all.

I get it, drawinout. The media is making no effort to hold Obama accountable for his associations with dangerous individuals, as if it makes no difference in terms of evaluating his character - even from someone who could be Commander-in-Chief of our armed forces. I think sprts makes good points, also. I think one's character matters, too.

As for the debate, I thought it was rather uneventful. I think Obama is painting this picture of Bush = McCain in the minds of many. Whether or not this is true, McCain is going to have to make an effort to distance himself if he has any chance at all, imo.

[sprtsracer]

I didn't really get this post at all.

OK...I'll explain. The original topic of the thread was about the debate Tuesday night and this post by Blackbird was in response to the ORIGINAL topic, although some...me included...derailed it somewhat. I assume the rest of his post was in partial response to my previous post about, among other things, Obama's visit to Kenya, where his half-brother lives in poverty. Supposedly, he went there to take a WHOPPING $1000 check to his half brother, but that was just a small part of his itenerary.

[surfsidesativa]

Sarah Palin Debate Flow Chart (http://adennak.dailykos.com/)

[sprtsracer]

Sarah Palin Debate Flow Chart (http://adennak.dailykos.com/)

Well...it HAD to happen...someone FINALLY posted a link to the daily KOS, LOL!!!

[wolfva]

Dennis Miller had a very good rant about the people who thought Admiral Stockdale was 'nuts'. That man went through worst then John McCain, and his payment from the American people was the same that McCain is getting...being mocked for the injuries he suffered.

No one has said being a POW qualifies one to be president. But as has been pointed out ample times, being a POW CAN be a truer indicator of a person's character then anything else. Admiral Stockdale was a man who not only withstood torture, but who purposely disfigured and even tried to kill himself on several occasions to prevent himself from being used for propoganda. John McCain refused to accept an early release from the POW camp because of his status as an Admiral's son knowing full well it would be considered a propoganda bonanza for the North Vietnamese, and also knowing full well he would be tortured for his decision. And every day, as his beaten, battered body was dragged past the cells of those comrades he REFUSED to abandon, he would give them a thumbs up and a smile to show he wasn't broken. That is character. That is loyalty. That is honor.

I'm a poor man. There have been times in my life the only thing I had to eat was boiled cornmeal (19c a lb) because I couldn't even afford ramen noodles. I used to pick scallions, mushrooms and dandelion leaves out of people's yards to flavor that corn mush. I would walk miles to get to work just to save on bus fare. So, I think I know a little about economic hardship. And I also think I can say that Obama knows as much about economic hardship as John McCain does. BUT: McCain knows far far FAR more about REAL hardship then Obama probably ever will.

O.K., Perhaps I should have said he has not faced economic hardships like the rest of us. Granted, his time as a POW was horrific. However, if being a POW makes one qualified to be President of the United States, then wouldn't it stand to reason that Stockdale would have been qualified to be VP under Perot? Now Perot was a whack job, but as a POW, Stockdale endured at least what McCain did and every one thought he was nuts during the campaign. Being a POW is NOT what makes someone the best choice to be President.

Sprts, you forgot about the angst Obama must have felt when he visited his father's village and promised his Grandmother he would do all he could to support the school named in his honor, and to send money to the village. Neither of which have received one red cent from him.

[Pennman]

Being a POW is NOT what makes someone the best choice to be President.

Nor does sitting in church for 20+ years listening to a horse's patooty screech anti-American sentiments for all to hear.:)

[Jigmaster]

I think it's obvious that LRJ is talking about economic hardships. You guys bringing up the hanoi hilton are blowing this way out of proportion.

and I'm going to have to agree. McCain was neither poor nor rich but he cannot relate to most americans.

McCain's weakest link is the economy and he is completely out of touch with Americans in this area. So yes, spare me your economic hardship stories
and stick to appealing to the firm values that drive the republican base.

Yes not to mention his acute PTSD condition coupled with explosive anger episodes.
(Yeah thats who we need running the Country...)

The guy is almost dead, hell he might even be. looks like he has been drinking embalming fluid just to get him through the election or it could just be some bad makeup.

I’m thinking the same people that voted for Bush are Voting for McCain and we see where that got us...Some meeaaannn Ya jus cante reeeech.

It’s simple> Biden will call the shots, Obama is the speaker Bill and Hillary behind the scenes not a bad team!

[sprtsracer]

Jigmaster:

I can't even believe you, of all people, posted something so rediculous!!! In fact, it's so rediculous, I didn't even quote it!!!

[TimKan7719]

yes or no question

Does the fact that John McCain being a prisoner of war for five and half years qualify him to understand the everyday struggles of average American hardships?

Ok If you are going to ask a question like this dont make it an open ended fact finding one. Does 5 and a half years of being a Prisoner qualify him to understand the everyday struggles of average american hard ship. YES YES YES. Learning anything first hand gives some one the ability to understand, reading would give someone the ability to understand. Whats more importaint is that fact that he has had to suffer and can empithize and sympithize with people that are struggling now. Which is something both canidates can do. Obama because of were he says he came from, and McCain because the suffering he had to do. Suffering is suffering, it does matter the amount you have had to endure, and the types you have had to endure. Between the 2 canidates and if I could only judge them on knowing what they suffered through to get to were they were would be the better man, Lets see what we have to judge here.

1 had to struggle to get food, but had food, had to strugle to get money for college but got college, had his family there for love and support the whole time.
2 for 5 years didnt have control over if he got food, to bathe, sleep, or do anything else. Couldnt see his family for support, more then likely was shut away from anything and everything. Got beat for sport and fun.


Gee I think my choice is clear I would go with number 2 any person that could live through that and still be right, thats got to be a bad bad man. Gee and I think I have it tough living below the poverty line, and as a member of the armed forces no less.. Oh and Yes most of the United States Service members fighting for this Country make less then the Poverty Line, and You will hardly ever hear from us about what we suffer through... So anyone out there that wants to say something about a fellow servce member and what he has suffered through, please feel free to visit your local recruiting station, or drop me a PM and I will help you get in as best as I can. And if you dont want to walk a mile in our shoes, please dont speak about what we suffer cause really you have no clue, and it guys like him and guys like me, that stand and defend what you hold so dear.

Please excuse my little rant, god bless and love you all. Have a Great day now go catch some Big Feesh

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here's to you timkan:beer:

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Yes not to mention his acute PTSD condition coupled with explosive anger episodes.
(Yeah thats who we need running the Country...)

The guy is almost dead, hell he might even be. looks like he has been drinking embalming fluid just to get him through the election or it could just be some bad makeup.

I’m thinking the same people that voted for Bush are Voting for McCain and we see where that got us...Some meeaaannn Ya jus cante reeeech.

It’s simple> Biden will call the shots, Obama is the speaker Bill and Hillary behind the scenes not a bad team!

What PTSD condition and what explosive anger episodes? Care to show examples? Oops, sorry, I forgot that Dkos and Huffpo don't deal in facts, just innuendo.

Almost dead? He hiked the Grand Canyon a few months ago. Could probably walk you into the ground. Many pundits have remarked he seems more energetic at the debates then Obama even.

So, you're completely ok with Biden calling the shots? Biden...a man who had to drop out of his first presidential election when he was caught stealing the identity of a foreign politician and plagiarised his life story? The same man who dropped out of this election because he only got a few thousand votes? Biden, a man who has been wrong on every foreign policy decision of the last 3 decades or so? Talk about settling for the bottom of the barrel.

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Dennis Miller had a very good rant about the people who thought Admiral Stockdale was 'nuts'. That man went through worst then John McCain, and his payment from the American people was the same that McCain is getting...being mocked for the injuries he suffered.

No one has said being a POW qualifies one to be president. But as has been pointed out ample times, being a POW CAN be a truer indicator of a person's character then anything else. Admiral Stockdale was a man who not only withstood torture, but who purposely disfigured and even tried to kill himself on several occasions to prevent himself from being used for propoganda. John McCain refused to accept an early release from the POW camp because of his status as an Admiral's son knowing full well it would be considered a propoganda bonanza for the North Vietnamese, and also knowing full well he would be tortured for his decision. And every day, as his beaten, battered body was dragged past the cells of those comrades he REFUSED to abandon, he would give them a thumbs up and a smile to show he wasn't broken. That is character. That is loyalty. That is honor.

I'm a poor man. There have been times in my life the only thing I had to eat was boiled cornmeal (19c a lb) because I couldn't even afford ramen noodles. I used to pick scallions, mushrooms and dandelion leaves out of people's yards to flavor that corn mush. I would walk miles to get to work just to save on bus fare. So, I think I know a little about economic hardship. And I also think I can say that Obama knows as much about economic hardship as John McCain does. BUT: McCain knows far far FAR more about REAL hardship then Obama probably ever will.



Sprts, you forgot about the angst Obama must have felt when he visited his father's village and promised his Grandmother he would do all he could to support the school named in his honor, and to send money to the village. Neither of which have received one red cent from him.

i agree. I was born in 39 and remember growing up during the war (if husky was around he would say "the war between the states." I remember how we scraped for food and walked the railroads after trains came through. You can get a lot of coal that way. My family comes from Ky, Southern Ill and Tenn. It wasn't what a person's middle name was or who was better qualified it was everyone working togather and getting the job done. They picked someone that they thought could do the job and got behind them.
Things like that helped to build character for this country to build on. Personally I think that a lot of that character is missing these days. There is too much of what is in it for me and trading insults.
I am working full time again because I am helping support my mother (90 last month), paying her medical bills plus other financial problems that wiped out my retirement. My wife needs a total hip replacement and I will get through that. Is that hard times? I do not think so. I hope that I have character enough to handle it as I know I will work it out one way or the other.
I only wish we could get the rest of the country to do the same thing.

Sorry for talking so long I just wanted to get it told. Hardship for one person is a comfortable position for another. I keep my head back, walk straight and try to help someone else along the way. Once this is over I think that we will be better for it.