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ledweightII
04-16-2009, 09:15 AM
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, announced last week that she wants to register guns. Her next move will be to try to confiscate them.

The speaker picked a television show with a viewership of 4.6 million to float the Democrats' coming gun-control push. Questioned on ABC's "Good Morning America" about the prospect of new gun-control laws now that "it's a Democratic president, a More.. Democratic House," she responded, "We don't want to take their guns away. We want them registered."

Politicians and bureaucrats routinely claim that registration helps solve crimes. If a registered gun is used in a crime and left at the crime scene, registration supposedly lets the police trace the gun back to the criminal. Though this turn of events might work on fictional TV crime shows, it virtually never occurs in real life. Criminals' guns are rarely left at crime scenes. When guns are left behind, it usually is because a crook has been seriously injured or killed and the police are poised to catch him anyway.

The few guns left at crime scenes rarely - if ever - are registered to the perpetrator. If they are registered at all, it is to someone else, whose piece was stolen. Despite what Mrs. Pelosi might think, those who use guns to commit major crimes such as robbing and killing are unlikely to respect her request to file paperwork so the government can catalog the tools of their trade.

Numerous examples disprove gun-control propaganda. Hawaii has had licensing and registration of guns for about 50 years. After all of the administrative expenses and inconvenience imposed on gun owners, police there cannot point to a single crime that has been solved as a result of those programs. Given Hawaii's remote island geography, this should be an ideal place to keep track of guns because movement in and out of the state is limited and legal importation is controlled. If registration is going to work anywhere, it should work there. Unfortunately, criminals seem to be able to get their hands on guns virtually anyplace in the world.

Other jurisdictions with a history of strict handgun bans, such as the District of Columbia and Chicago, have even required registration of hunting rifles and shotguns for more than 20 years. Neither the District nor Chicago can point to any crimes that have been solved using registration records.

The same rules apply across the border. Canada, which has imposed registration of handguns since the 1930s, does not have much to show for it. In 2006, when the Liberal Party under Prime Minister Paul Martin controlled the government, it was admitted in parliamentary debate that just three crimes in 70 years had been solved as a result of registration. A couple of those cases were debatable because other independent evidence helped solve the crimes. According to the Canadian Ministry of Public Safety, just 4 percent of Canadian handgun murders in 2005 and 2006 were committed with registered handguns, and none of those were registered to the people who committed the crimes. As for long-gun registration, at least as of 2006, not a single violent crime had been solved through registration.

Because registration doesn't help solve crime, it is important to ask why government wants to register the people's firearms. History provides the answer. In countries from Australia to England, registration has been used to create lists of guns that later were confiscated by their governments. Despite Mrs. Pelosi's assurances to the contrary, Americans' fear that registration will lead to confiscation is well-founded. Indeed, Mrs. Pelosi's own state of California already has used existing registration lists to confiscate so-called assault weapons just a half-dozen years ago.

The speaker claims registration won't lead to gun confiscation because of the Supreme Court decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, which struck down the District's handgun ban last June. She knows full well that this judgment was based on a narrow 5-4 decision that could be reversed when President Obama gets his opportunity to appoint an additional liberal justice to the court.

A Gallup poll released Wednesday shows that support for gun control is "at an all-time low" since the issue started being surveyed nearly 50 years ago. According to Gallup, just 29 percent favor handgun bans. Now that Democrats are in control of the legislative and executive branches of government, even the will of the people won't keep them from going after the guns of law-abiding Americans.
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virginia boy 1
04-16-2009, 08:59 PM
She's the reason I hope no one assassinates Obamunist and Biden.

SHE IS A LIBERAL SOCIALIST NUTJOB C$%T THAT IS BAD FOR THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE!!!!

VBpierkingmac
04-16-2009, 10:52 PM
They can have my guns.. but they are goin to have to shoot me first. Bastards. It makes absolutly no sense to me any reason to "register guns" other than to have a list of people to come back to and confiscate them. I've got a little saying that Im not sure where I picked it up at but "whats the best way to stop a nutjob with a gun?? shoot him duh!". But some of the laws that say where you cant carry a gun are just plain dumb as well. If you have a legit CCP then why not be able to bring a gun onto a school or into a church or places like these. The reason so many schools get shot up is because its an easy target. If there is no one around with means to defend themselves then it just makes the place a target. A lot less schools would have shootings if there were people openly carrying around a big 1911 .45 on their hip in plain view.And on top of everything they want to do to "control guns" they will never get them out of the hands of people who arent supposed to have them anyways like criminals. Sorry to vent so much its just that I'll be 21 in May and I've been around guns my whole life and dont think of them as insturments of death they are tools.And I get so fed up with all this left wing liberal B/S, and Im only 20 years old man! Cant wait to see what its like when I'm 40. Active and proud member of the NRA.

Finger_Mullet
04-16-2009, 11:21 PM
Go out tomorrow and try to order a gun that is not in stock at the gun shops. Depending on what you want, the odds are good that you can't get it. At least in NC.

Bstarling called the other day and asked if I could pick him up some large rifle primers and small pistol primers. I said sure I can. Well I called the local gun shop and he had them. I went by after work to pick up a thousand of each. I walked in and told him what I wanted. He said he would not sell me any unless I bought bullets. To get a 1000 primers I had to buy 1000 bullets. I almost flipped. He said he had to save what he had for his regular customers that bought primers, powder and bullets. He said if he sold me all his primers then he would be out when a customer came in to buy all three.

He then started to explain to me that he has an order he placed on March 1st for primers. He has not received them yet. Everyone he knows is sold out. Every distributer is backordered.

His explination was that when Obama was elected everyone and their brother started stockpiling guns, bullets, primers, powder etc........ He said he has had 80 year old women coming in and buying handguns and long guns. People you would never think would be buying guns are buying them now.

Everyone is afraid of what Obama is going to do. Maybe add a huge tax or put tight gun controls in place.

He said not only primers are not available, powder, casings, ammo was in short supply. You can't find a box of 38's or 30-06 bullets anywhere. Most any what you would call standard ammo is in short supply.

Walmart has started a policy that they will only ship 2 boxes of each caliber bullet to each store. This is because of local gun shops coming in and buying them out to sell in their stores because they can't get them.

He said unless people stop stockpiling ammo and components there will continue to be a shortage.

Now here we are talking about gun regristation and control from the Obama administration. Like we didn't see this coming?

Hell, how can they take away what we can't find to by now. I do not doubt that I will live long enough to see the government try to take guns away from the citizens. I just wonder how big of a fight we will put up on the day they decide to??

Pelosi is one crazy woman. God help us if Something happens to Obama and Biden.

wolfva
04-17-2009, 02:49 AM
Huh. So that explains why rounds are so expensive these days. Now I'm wishing I had stockpiled last year. At least there's a gun show in Hampton, Va this weekend...

Expect even more gun control legislation soon. President Obama is in Mexico assuring them he will do whatever it takes to 'help' with their drug war problem by 'stemming the flow' of guns across the border. See, a couple of months ago a Mexican anti-gun politician stated that 90% of the guns used in crimes in Mexico are traced to the U.S., and that we have to ban guns so they can disarm the bad guys. The Democrats and anti-gun groups have latched onto that number; even Secretary of State Clinton has parroted that 90% number. Problem is, it's bogus. It turns out that, of the captured guns which are SENT to America for testing 87% came from America. But the problem is not all the guns that are captured are sent TO America. Only the ones with American stamps. In other words, the guns that come from, say, Brazil (a major exporter of firearms) don't get sent to America. The reality is something like 17% of the guns used in crimes in Mexico come from the U.S. But the anti-gun crowd don't want you to know that, it'll be easier for them to 'register' and then confiscate firearms if they make people believe the lie that Mexican criminals are getting all their guns from America, so the Mexican drug war is OUR fault and we have to ban guns to help out.

If Obama REALLY wants to 'stem the flow of guns' across the border, what he SHOULD do is increase enforcement of the border. More checks on vehicles, more patrols in the off road areas where illegals cross. Start arresting and deporting more illegals. Figure the odds of THAT happening though.

RuddeDogg
04-17-2009, 09:57 AM
We have been here before, especially in the Nazi state of New Jersey. Yeah it's a little tought but it always gets better.

jcreamer
04-18-2009, 08:09 AM
My mother is 90 years old and last year lived by herself in Waukegan, Illinois.
A person came to her door and asked her if she would voluntarily turn in her weapons. She laughed and closed the door in their face. She has no idea what end the bullet comes from.

Crazy huh

Southern Man
04-19-2009, 02:38 AM
Again this is about the Feds trying to make a power grab, this is wrong on so many levels. The biggest being this is a State Issue, not a Fed Issue. The Price Of Freedom is Vigilance.

virginia boy 1
04-19-2009, 10:13 AM
Pay attention to this:

The fed can only take so much from an armed populace- and they know it. An unarmed population cannot prevent the Gov from taking what it wants. IF you wanted to become a totalitarian Gov, seizing guns would be where to start.

Malakas07
04-19-2009, 03:53 PM
This is all just a bunch of propaganda spread by the NRA.
Like this will ever happen........All just a bunch of hysteria.

/sarcasm

sprtsracer
04-19-2009, 04:12 PM
This is all just a bunch of propaganda spread by the NRA.
Like this will ever happen........All just a bunch of hysteria.

/sarcasm

I'm glad you added "/sarcasm" at the end...otherwise, I would have believed you. Get ready guys...it's coming!

redneckranger
04-19-2009, 04:33 PM
I have to agree they can take my guns from my cold dead hands:)
This isn't even a state issue what it is some folks out there are opposed to some of our liberties(and the fact that how dare we use them) and want to control everyone's thoughts and actions I guartee you they want my guns I'll be out guerilla fighting

wolfva
04-21-2009, 01:40 AM
Just like to remind everyone that the preferred manner of resisting idiotic and stupid laws is to complain to your Congressman, sign petitions, etc. Armed resistance is ALWAYS the last resort. Besides, the DHS is on the lookout for folks who are saying exactly what some of ya'll are saying on this publicly accessed forum...hint hint. Let's not give them any help to lock us all away.
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/12/homeland-security-document-targets-most-conservatives-and-libertarians-in-the-country/

sprtsracer
04-21-2009, 07:46 AM
Just like to remind everyone that the preferred manner of resisting idiotic and stupid laws is to complain to your Congressman, sign petitions, etc. Armed resistance is ALWAYS the last resort. Besides, the DHS is on the lookout for folks who are saying exactly what some of ya'll are saying on this publicly accessed forum...hint hint. Let's not give them any help to lock us all away.
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/12/homeland-security-document-targets-most-conservatives-and-libertarians-in-the-country/

Heck, I'm a veteran and I oppose abortion, so I guess I'm already on their list! Besides, the BEST way to fight all this is to VOTE in 2010 (assuming they haven't taken THAT right away from us before then) and throw all these idiots out of office! In the meantime, I still write them and call their hands on issues. I also write them and thank them if they vote sensibly on an issue. So far, the "idiot" letters far outnumber the "attaboys"!:D

rattler
04-22-2009, 02:48 AM
7.62/39 FMJ. looking. and i'm gonna keep my bow also. AMMO was cheap in MI. 356 win was only $22 for 20. 416 rigby exp was $36. I had a ccp in the 80's because I made deposits in a BAD area. pulled 2 times, never shot. I'm not dead.JMHO

wolfgang
04-24-2009, 11:49 PM
Gun control may be closer than we all realize...and it won't even have to go through congress...this is scary:

On his recent trip to Central America, President Barack Obama did more than cozy up to Marxist dictators; he also signed onto an international treaty that could, in effect, be used as backdoor gun control. It appears that Obama wants to use international treaties to do what congressional legislation is not able to do: further restrict the right of the American people to keep and bear arms.

Obama is using the oft-disproved contention that "90% of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States" as the stated basis of his support for the international treaty he is promoting. The treaty is formally known as the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials (CIFTA) treaty. The Bill Clinton administration signed the treaty back in 1997, but the U.S. Senate has never ratified the treaty. Obama intends to change that.

To date, 33 nations in the western hemisphere have signed the treaty. The U.S. is one of four nations that have yet to ratify it. According to one senior Obama administration official, passing the treaty is a "high priority" for the President.

If ratified, the treaty would require the United States to adopt "strict licensing requirements, mark firearms when they are made and imported to make them easier to trace, and establish a process for sharing information between national law enforcement agencies investigating [gun] smuggling."

Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee promises to "work for its [the CIFTA treaty's] approval by the Senate."

Should the Senate ratify CIFTA, Americans who reload ammunition would be required to get a license from the government, and factory guns and ammunition would be priced almost out of existence due to governmental requirements to "mark" each one manufactured. Even the simple act of adding an after-market piece of equipment to a firearm, such as a scope or bipod, or reassembling a gun after cleaning it could fall into the category of "illicit manufacturing" of firearms and require government license and oversight.

In addition, CIFTA would authorize the U.S. federal government (and open the door to international entities) to supervise and regulate virtually the entire American firearms industry. Making matters worse is the fact that, as a treaty, this Act does not have to be passed by both houses of Congress, nor is it subject to judicial oversight. All Obama needs to do in order to enact this unconstitutional and egregious form of gun control is convince a Democratic-controlled Senate to pass it.

Obviously, the United Nations, from its very inception, has been one of the world's most ardent gun control proponents. As anyone who has ever driven by the U.N. building in New York City knows, a huge statue of an American-made revolver with its barrel twisted in the shape of a pretzel greets every visitor. The CIFTA treaty is one of the U.N.'s pet projects in order to achieve this long-held ambition.

Of course, Obama is a longtime liberal radical when it comes to the Second Amendment. As a senator, he voted against the Second Amendment at every opportunity. He has never seen a piece of gun control legislation that he did not support. And as I have said before in this column, gun control is high on the list of priorities for the newly elected President Barack Obama.
Here's the link to the entire article:
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2009/cbarchive_20090424.html

rattler
04-28-2009, 03:05 AM
left all my guns and such in MI. I cut my meat with a spoon! fish hooks are sharp, so I quit fishing. hammers, drown, choke, etc. GEEZZZZ!!!!.2.7million of US now. think about it.