Swine Flu...is this the beginning

[Thrifty Angler]

of the end?

Could get interesting. Schools closing down for weeks. 2 possible fatalities in California. Hmmmm. It's definitely gonna wreck havoc before it's thru...or we're thru...whichever comes first. :eek:

[NTKG]

of the end?

Could get interesting. Schools closing down for weeks. 2 possible fatalities in California. Hmmmm. It's definitely gonna wreck havoc before it's thru...or we're thru...whichever comes first. :eek:

yeah i mean i dont know how we're not already dead....

ebola
aids
sars
west nile.

oh yea... its a new one this year...

swine flu is the new black, oh wait i mean new west nile!

[Jackalopehunter]

and all this is a prerequisite for a zombie outbreak!!! :D

[Al Kai]

yeah i mean i dont know how we're not already dead....

ebola
aids
sars
west nile.

oh yea... its a new one this year...

swine flu is the new black, oh wait i mean new west nile!

Dang, ain't that the truth.

[wolfgang]

There was a swine flu "epidemic" in 1976 also...and the government ended up killing more people with the vaccine than the flu itself killed.

In February 1976, an outbreak of swine flu struck Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey, killing a 19-year-old private and infecting hundreds of soldiers. Concerned that the U.S. was on the verge of a devastating epidemic, President Gerald Ford ordered a nationwide vaccination program at a cost of $135 million (some $500 million in today's money). Within weeks, reports surfaced of people developing Guillain-Barré syndrome, a paralyzing nerve disease that can be caused by the vaccine. By April, more than 30 people had died of the condition. Facing protests, federal officials abruptly canceled the program on Dec. 16. The epidemic failed to materialize.

[Thrifty Angler]

This time....it seems a lot different. We have a lot of people with weakened natural immune systems due to economic issues. That's going to be a big contributing factor in it's spreading at an accelerated pace. And it's hitting quite a number of other countries. Panic is bound to set in. Time loss at work, school, etc..... Even perhaps anglers decked out in surgical masks. Pork is going to take a hit just as beef did during the Mad Cow scare.
Aids...it's more controllable than flu.
Ebola and sars...they have nothing on this.

Not sure bout that swine flu/new black/west nile comparison. I just don't get the black part. :confused: :rolleyes:

[Finger_Mullet]

I think he was touching on the black plague. Every year there is a new disease that is gonna wipe us out. West Nile and SARS scared the hell out of everyone because the media blew it out of proportion.

Each year pneumonia takes more people out than west nile or SARS took out together.

It is just something else to take our minds off the crappy economy. They will beat it to death just like every other diesease the media gets their sights set on.

The regular strains of the flu kills a pile of people every year. This is really nothing new.

Darin

[virginia boy 1]

It's strange. I'm an RN student studying for a final in Microbiology, and we extensively cover Infectious diseases....then this stuff starts.

A few things to remember:

The old, young and imunocompromised are the most at risk. This means over 65, under 8, and anyone who is recovering from an illness; or has HIV, is on dialysis, or has Hepatitis, is most likely to be affected. The under 8yo thing scares me the most.

Avoid skin-to-skin contact with strangers if possible. ALWAYS wash or sanitize hands after. NEVER put your hands in your mouth.

Influenza Viruses must be inhaled or ingested. Give yourself at least an arm-length of personal space around apparently sick people.

Monitor your children for signs of flu. Keep them hydrated and well-rested. If they are currently ill, keep the home...They are immunocompromised.

Avoid very crowded places if possible.

Hope this helps. Also, if treatment is needed, I would recommend a personal doctor over an ER. Google "Nosocomial" if you have any doubts.

[NTKG]

This time....it seems a lot different. We have a lot of people with weakened natural immune systems due to economic issues. That's going to be a big contributing factor in it's spreading at an accelerated pace. And it's hitting quite a number of other countries. Panic is bound to set in. Time loss at work, school, etc..... Even perhaps anglers decked out in surgical masks. Pork is going to take a hit just as beef did during the Mad Cow scare.
Aids...it's more controllable than flu.
Ebola and sars...they have nothing on this.

Not sure bout that swine flu/new black/west nile comparison. I just don't get the black part. :confused: :rolleyes:



ta,

first off, i think your opinion should be stated as opinion, the economy has not "weakened" a substantial portion of our population. not being able to spend money is different from not being able to eat. I'd like to see the figures your drawing this claim from.


no i will promise you now that this pork issue will not be.

btw, the black comment is not about race as i am sure you are hinting at.

its a common phrase used in the fashion world. the new black means that it's the next jump on the bandwagon which of course does not ever replace the original.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_new_black

[emanuel]

Not worried, at all. Yet another over-hyped media frenzy. There were probably more fatalities from the regular flu from this past flu season than this will ever produce.

It's been a slow news week, can't you tell?

[wolfgang]

Not worried, at all. Yet another over-hyped media frenzy...

...as well as an excuse to transfer another $1.5 billion from the taxpayer to the Federal Government.

The White House has asked Congress for 1.5 billion dollars to fight a swine flu outbreak.

[Thrifty Angler]

With it being fishing season after all.....I'm usually a bit picky bout taking just any bait dangled in front of me.
However, I'll take a little nibble..... :rolleyes:

Well I guess not many people have been affected by the state of the economy. Not many experiencing stress as a result. :rolleyes: Nor the resulting weakening of their immune systems.
Personally....I know quite a few who are feeling it. Not 100 percent ....just around 70 percent. That's a fact. A substantial fact....not just my opinion. Since I have just a few close friends...versus befriending the whole WWW, I draw my conclusions from first hand accounts along with their experiences in all their circles. Read somewhere that stress is on the rise concerning matters of the changing/changed economic state....course that's just the media's view...and we all know how biased they are.

I'll have to accept what's in that link as fact...although I don't dare click on it. Don't have time to do a lot of research on that subject. Too busy on my end researching career moves that pay off.... Definitely can exclude real estate agents. They tend to say whatever it takes to sell themselves. :(

Oops....Hook's exposed and bait's stale as usual. Time to swim away.

[wolfva]

Bah, this swine flu 'pandemic' is nothing but BS. It's a non-story. But the press and the politicians are blowing it out of proportion because A) it distracts everyone from what the Politicians are really doing and B) it distracts everyone from what the Media ISN'T doing, ie reporting on what the politicans are up to.

Heck, ya'll read the 'news report' which blamed Republicans for the Swine flu because they tried to argue against some of the TARP funds? The fact that the TARP bill passed anyways, and the fact that Bush had already OK'd those funds for prevention was beside the fact. Just as the fact that Obama has yet to appoint a Surgeon General or a head of the CDC. Those last two facts escaped the mainstream media somehow.

[Mooney1el]

Last night on the news it ws reported that over 30,000 people die each year from the flu here, about 100 per day. Yet, no confirmed deaths from this strain, yet. Why the panic over this one?

[TreednNC]

Id rather get pig flu than ebola, that's for dam sure. Give me ebola over the sinus infection I had a month ago, thats for dam sure. Give me the sinus infection I had a month ago over not getting to go fishing, thats for dam sure. If it shows you how worried I am....

[NTKG]

I'll have to accept what's in that link as fact...although I don't dare click on it. Don't have time to do a lot of research on that subject. Too busy on my end researching career moves that pay off.... Definitely can exclude real estate agents. .

again your flawed. so tell me what masters or phd program your in?


so your telling me that a forum, who takes into account 10percent of the population, within that population there are whatever percent that are feeling stress from the economy. well its not even worth arguing, lets just say in my "circles" there is no one that has gone from living in a nice house and now not being able to eat. Maybe your circles had people who made bad decisions. Again it is your opinion unless you have facts, otherwise you are just feeding the fire. you think your befriending this forum? i guess we all have different definitions.....

btw, if you want to take a personal jab at me or the profession I am in please be woman enough to say it openly. But I'm not stressed or looking for new work so maybe you could learn from me.

[sprtsracer]

GEESH...all this stuff is stressing me out and making me susceptible to Swine Flu!!! Please Stop!!!:D

[dirtyhandslopez]

I'm not seeing an increase in skinny, stressed out people all of a sudden, am I missing something? Most of us have several good ways for dealing with stress;)

The problem is too many have people media jobs and have to earn their keep, so to say, so they've got to report something.

Stay way from the shots, get your germs the natural way, diggin in the dirt and sand for bait:D
Sucks my homies in Mexico are having a tough time though.

[jay b]

IMHO it's just the next wave of over-hyped media crap, the kind of junk we read on the front page every day anymore. :rolleyes:

I for one am all about self-medicating and I start with at least 80 proof :beer: :D

Cheers y'all

[sprtsracer]

Obviously, this is an example of yet another problem that Obama inherited from Bush! These viruses were spawned during the Bush administration and are only now coming to light! Their proliferation was intensified by all the "pork" in the recent legislation out of Congress. It was a trap that the Republicans set for the democrats just in case they got carried away. I also understand that Cheney had full knowledge that this was going to happen! The question now remains...WHAT did they know and WHEN did they know it???

[Magged Out]

22 Month Old Mexican Boy!

Been Livin on Bean's & Rice for the last Month. I'd Kill for a Pork Chop right now!

[AtlantaKing]

Just for comparison...the United Health Public Health Service deployed Officers in response to 9/11, Hurricanes Katrina, Wilma, Rita, and Gustav, the tsunami in Indonesia in 2004 and the Bird Flu Pandemic.

It has not deployed a single Officer to respond to Swine Flu.

[Fishbreath]

Obviously, this is an example of yet another problem that Obama inherited from Bush! These viruses were spawned during the Bush administration and are only now coming to light! Their proliferation was intensified by all the "pork" in the recent legislation out of Congress. It was a trap that the Republicans set for the democrats just in case they got carried away. I also understand that Cheney had full knowledge that this was going to happen! The question now remains...WHAT did they know and WHEN did they know it???

Now THAT'S FUNNY!!! :D

Personally, I hope it is over-hype. SARS was a big deal. No question. Can't compare Ebola to this. Time will tell.

[sand flea]

The thing that has health authorities worried isn't that the flu is going around. That happens every year, and unfortunately it kills tens of thousands of young children and the elderly.

The worry now is that this virus--or at least the version that's in Mexico--may be starting to behave like the 1918 flu pandemic that killed 20-100 million people. That strain was so deadly because it killed young, healthy people by pushing their immune systems out of control.

Hopefully this is nothing and it'll burn itself out, but I wouldn't write it off as hype.

[kingfisherman23]

I think that a pandemic sweeping through the population is becoming more and more inevitable. As world populations soar and populations like China stack on top of each other, diseases spread like wildfire. Nature has a way of evening out itself out returning to a balance.

Evan

[greg12345]

So I know a little something about medicine, and I am seriously freaking out for the following reasons:

1) Normal influenza is nothing to worry about. The only people that have to worry about it (and the majority of people killed every flu season) are the very young, the very old, those that are immunocompromised (e.g. those on cancer chemotherapy), or those with chronic severe lung disease (e.g. COPD, emphysema). Healthy people feel lousy for several days then bounce right back, no sweat. This strain is different. The majority of fatalities in mexico have occurred in healthy young adults. This, to me, is a HUGE red flag that we are dealing with something really nasty.

2) Normal swine or avian flu can make people really sick and throughout the years people die now and then from direct infection from the original reservoir - pigs or chickens (e.g. people in china who are in close contact with pigs, chickens, etc.). Since the virus normally infects pigs it is not designed for human to human transmission and hence does not easily spread from person to person. But, if you have strain of swine flu that for whatever reason has learned to spread from person to person efficiently you are in trouble because (a) people can now be infected by other people, not just by coming into contact w/pigs and (b) as the virus spreads from person to person it gains further mutations which select out for viruses more capable of causing illness in humans (not it's natural host). The fact that this virus is now throughout the world is evidence that it is now efficiently transmitted from human to human.

3) In medicine it's always nice when we can give something to cure a disease and make people better. Well, the people that are dying from swine flu in mexico are dying from ARDS, or severe lung damage caused by the body's own immune system response to the influenza infection. It seems that the healthier you are (e.g. young adults) you can mount an even more robust immune response against the infected tissue (the lungs) and as a result cause even more damage against your lungs. The thing I don't like about ARDS is that there is nothing to do which can "cure" it. We put someone on a ventilator to help oxygenate the blood. And then we cross our fingers. Sometimes the patients live. More often than not, unless we can treat the underlying cause of ARDS, their respiratory failure progressively worsens and we have to throw in the towel.

4) We can treat swine flu just like any other flu, the problem is oseltamivir is really only effective if given within the 1st 48h. The # of people that get recognized and treated within this window is typically fairly low. After that the damage is done.

I hope all y'all are right and this is just a big fuss about nothing. But I'm freaked out.

[Thrifty Angler]

Stress can definitely weaken the immune system. Doesn't mean one needs to show outward signs of skinnyness to be stressed. It could just be mind over matter. Definitely my opinion on this. :rolleyes:

Although at this point it's afar from the area I'm in....for me, it bears watching. In most cases, it never seems to really hit home...til it's actually close to home or within one's home. Once again, strictly my opinion. :rolleyes:

He's some more of that media hype...if anyone's interested. Course that's my opinion. :rolleyes:

http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/index.htm ....This is their opinion.

Interesting how the majority of posts in this forum always seem to gravitate to the political zone. :rolleyes:
So....all, with the exception of one of the above, are my opinions....just so I can follow the trend and be politically correct. :rolleyes:

[sand flea]

I'm waiting to see if epidemiologists find cytokine storms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm) in the people it's killing. If not, we'll be fine.

If so, crap (http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2009/04/swine_flu_and_deaths_in_health.php).

[emanuel]

There were a bunch of unmarked graves on the hill above my house when I was a kid. It was a couple of families that had been wiped out by the 1918 epidemic.

If this is nature's way of evening things out, so be it. I will worry about it when the time comes. Think I'll go kill some fish tomorrow.

[greg12345]

Cytokine storm is a handwaving term we use when we don't know what the heck is making people sick. I'm sure the people that get sick as stink from swine flu have "cytokine storm"; it is the proinflammatory cytokines released in response to severe infection/trauma/stress which lead to ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome).

1918 was an avian strain but similar in the fact that it killed lots of young healthy people.

[Thrifty Angler]

Whoa...at least the ads are keeping up. :eek: ---------->

[wolfva]

Well, all I know is I'm gonna go see 'Wolverine' this weekend, and to ensure a good seat I'll walk in coughing.....

[NTKG]

Authorities sought to keep the crisis in context: Flu deaths are common around the world. In the U.S. alone, the CDC says about 36,000 people a year die of flu-related causes.

like i said its the new black coupled with a fear based society. I think its islamic terrorists trying to keep me and my love affair with bacon at bay.

[Thrifty Angler]

Welp.....as far as Virginia goes....


It's Here!!!!!!! :eek::popcorn:

[Fishing_Feud]

As they say in other countries:

The FOO is here:popcorn: Schools will be closin soon.

[kingfisherman23]

They said that before we elected a black president, pigs would learn to fly...

Now, 100 days into Obama's term: Swine flu...

:D:eek::D

Evan

Oh yeah, and NC has two "probable" cases. I blame our nasty, disease-ridden neighbors to the north and south. ;)

[Thrifty Angler]

Of all the states and all the cities in the U S.....the man brings it to the hampton roads/peninsula/northern neck. :eek:
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/04/two-probable-cases-swine-flu-turn-virginia

Sure hope they didn't cough or sneeze while in flight. :eek:

In these cases, it more than likely came from the south. :D

Oh.....that's just my opinion of course.

[Thrifty Angler]

Now, 100 days into Obama's term: Swine flu...


Am I the first one to get that???? Although I'll give a half smile on that ...it was kinda funny.

Thing is....wish it flew out of the country instead of in. Perhaps they should have been careful what they asked for.

[emanuel]

Although the diagnosis was never actually confirmed, my girlfriend seems to have been Florida's first unofficial case last week. She got it from some friends of her's who had recently returned from south Texas.

No need to panic, she's back and as mean as ever.

[Thrifty Angler]

I'm definitely not concerned. It's not like viruses travel thru computers, lol. Surfing the WWW has been considered risky. It's probably ranking up high as one of the safest modes of traveling at this point.

We never know just how much someone means to us til we're faced with uncertainty. Gotta be happy to see her back up to par. Good to hear she's doing ok.

[TreednNC]

Am I the first one to get that???? Although I'll give a half smile on that ...it was kinda funny.

Thing is....wish it flew out of the country instead of in. Perhaps they should have been careful what they asked for.

I got it, was just too lazy too sign in when I first read it lol

[RuddeDogg]

Welp.....as far as Virginia goes....


It's Here!!!!!!! :eek::popcorn:

Here in Nazi Jersey as well.

[J_Lannon]

"Tamiflu"............seems to combat this flu pretty easily. If you have symptoms..............go to your Doctor and have him fill out a prescription.

[seajay]

Obviously, this is an example of yet another problem that Obama inherited from Bush! These viruses were spawned during the Bush administration and are only now coming to light! Their proliferation was intensified by all the "pork" in the recent legislation out of Congress. It was a trap that the Republicans set for the democrats just in case they got carried away. I also understand that Cheney had full knowledge that this was going to happen! The question now remains...WHAT did they know and WHEN did they know it???

HERE PIG PIG PIG. Boy that Pork Roast on the Grill is smelling good.
That is to funny Sprts. The New York Times may Quote you on that one.

[Rockstar]

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[jcreamer]

I went to the mall friday night after work and did not see one person that acted as if they were sick. No coughing, sneezing, or anything. After I said this now watch all hell break loose.

[redneckranger]

Stress can definitely weaken the immune system. Doesn't mean one needs to show outward signs of skinnyness to be stressed. It could just be mind over matter. Definitely my opinion on this. :rolleyes:

Although at this point it's afar from the area I'm in....for me, it bears watching. In most cases, it never seems to really hit home...til it's actually close to home or within one's home. Once again, strictly my opinion. :rolleyes:

He's some more of that media hype...if anyone's interested. Course that's my opinion. :rolleyes:

http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/index.htm ....This is their opinion.

Interesting how the majority of posts in this forum always seem to gravitate to the political zone. :rolleyes:
So....all, with the exception of one of the above, are my opinions....just so I can follow the trend and be politically correct. :rolleyes:

and being overly hygenic can weaken an immune system too. meaning if you don't expose yourself to a some infection then guess what your body can't fight off the truly serious stuff. How we forget about that end of the specturm too

[sprtsracer]

HERE PIG PIG PIG. Boy that Pork Roast on the Grill is smelling good.
That is to funny Sprts. The New York Times may Quote you on that one.

If the NYT doesn't, then I'm sure the White House or Janet Napolitano will...especially if she finds out I'm a veteran and, therefore, someone who needs to be watched!!!:D

[Thrifty Angler]

and being overly hygenic can weaken an immune system too. meaning if you don't expose yourself to a some infection then guess what your body can't fight off the truly serious stuff. How we forget about that end of the specturm too

Yes...I see your point. Actually, I had an opportunity to boost my immunity a notch cause I was over on Shore Drive in Norfolk the past couple days....coincidentally near where a child tested positive. Just missed that encounter by a few blocks. :eek: :rolleyes: Wiping my brow.

[Thrifty Angler]

I went to the mall friday night after work and did not see one person that acted as if they were sick. No coughing, sneezing, or anything. After I said this now watch all hell break loose.

I may have discovered the answer to that puzzle. Seems all the coughers and sneezers east of the Mississippi were on the buses I was riding on yesterday and Friday. :--|

[emanuel]

I tried using the flu excuse to get out of work early today. My boss wasn't buying it.

[Thrifty Angler]

just keeping up with the numbers.
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/update.htm