Gam knot????

[Jeepster]

Anybody know anything about this knot? I don't even know if I spelled it right. It's supposed to work like a blood knot, only supposedly better. I'm respooling my Penn 750 SS with 60lb spiderwire from 125 yd rolls and will need to tie the two together. Any info on this will be preciated. Uh... since I'm going to 60lb main line, do I really need to tie on a shocker?? Seems like a waste of reel space to put heavy mono on for a shocker when I had cheap 50lb mono shocker tied to 30lb main line on before the respool. And I really hate how sea grass grabs the shocker to main line knot and gobs up at my 1st eye. I was using a standard overhand in the shocker tied around the main, then a uni on the main to clinch it. It worked great, never lost a shocker or a fish. But really don't like how the seagrass makes such a mess at the 1st eye. I use a 12' Ugly stick, and to clear the grass, I had to set the rod butt in the sand, trying to keep my reel out of the sand. So I was just wonderin, with 60lb braid, why use a shock leader? Am I that dumb, or am I just missing something? Thanks Kevin, G'boro

[narfpoit]

There are a few advantages to using a mono shockleader when fishing with braid. First the mono will have a little stretch to it to help absorb the energy of an agressive bite. Second it will aid in landing large fish in the surf as Braided line will slice your hand up you try to pull one in. I believe the Knot you are refering to is the Jam knot, also called the San Diego Jam knot you can Google it and find all you need to know to tie it. But I believe there are some other knots specifically for joining Braid and Mono. check out
http://www.hatterasoutfitters.com/

in there Knots and rigs section very thorough.
hope this is what you needed.

j

[JAM]

I guess my question to you is what do you want to be your weak point in your setup?

a. Your Rod

b. Your reel

c. your line.

I see no reason in Gods green earth to use that type and poundage of line with that equipment. With the use of a shocker in your question I assume you are casting with this setup. With the cost of graphite pole these days you can get them as cheap fiber glass poles. Just wondering what application in fishing will you use this setup??????

[Drumdum]

I guess my question to you is what do you want to be your weak point in your setup?

a. Your Rod

b. Your reel

c. your line.

I see no reason in Gods green earth to use that type and poundage of line with that equipment. With the use of a shocker in your question I assume you are casting with this setup. With the cost of graphite pole these days you can get them as cheap fiber glass poles. Just wondering what application in fishing will you use this setup??????

My thoughts exactly,John..

If I was near a rock bottom after big groupers,with heavy tackle,I may use line that was that strong. IMHO,just dont' think anything above 20 should be used for the type of fishing most of us do.

The fact that grass is getting hung in your knot indicates you are bottom fishing in stiff current? If that be the case,the smaller the diameter the better for holding bottom. It is a pain watching the grass get hung up in the line from time to time,I assume that is your main concern. What type of fish are you after,you may be able to run straight 20,if you are after fish less than 10lb?

Another thought would be,if the grass is sliding down the line, acumulating at the knot,that is less grass that is going to bunch up on your bait or lure.. Just a couple of thoughts,and a few questions,so your question can be answered.. :)

[JAM]

DESTIN Fla. Deep Deep holes in the Gulf of Mex. I love that place as much as here almost. The 1lb dia. PP is great for fishin most fish here if ya wanna use the braid type stuff. I'm just a mono person its alot cheaper for me (the amount of line I go through) and when it knots it knots (wish I could tie em like that( :)

[Drumdum]

I know you are stuck in your "mindset" about fishing,just as I am.. :rolleyes: One thing to keep in mind about the braid,"junk",:D is that if you can keep it on a spool without tangleing it into those knots you are braggin about :rolleyes: :D it will last for a couple of yrs on the spool with constant use in most cases. How does that mount up to the costs involved in the mono?? ;)

One other thing,both have advantages and disadvantages.. Mono is great for bottomfishing for drum,mainly because even with the larger diameter,in stiff currents with waves pulling the line,(which are normal Hat conditions) it holds bottom with less wieght. Also with conventionals,as most of us use for this style fishing,it is less likely to knot up as bad and much easier to work out of a tangle..
Braid has the advantage of no stretch,so sets a hook on a lure better than mono ever could,as well as feeling the bite. On a spinner,if put on the spool properly,and you manually trip your bail,less windknots than mono.
Jam,I was convinced when I used it the very first time at Chesbay tunnel. My bud and I were catching stripers on every cast,and the others on the boat were slow at picking up on the bite. Reason: We could feel the bite with the braid,they couldn't.
I like both and use both,but also see advantages and disadvantages in both.. :)

[Jeepster]

I bought the rod used for $26, the reel used for $65, so it's a kind of the best I could put together for the $ I had to play with. A St. Croix it's not, but it'll do. I priced the rod new at local tackle shops, and found it in the $85 range, the reel goes for $129 on Amazon, so I guess I did ok. To answer the question as best I can, I use it as a heaver bottom fishing in the Beaufort, Ft.Macon, EI area. But would like to also use it off the T at the Triple S as a King, Cobia combo with another cheap 12'0 I would use to set the line with. I don't have a stout 7'0 fighting rod and don't even own a conventional reel, much less a big Penn or Ambassador, but was under the impression that the rod could handle a big fish. I was also under the impression that for a spinner, the 750 is pretty hard to tear up. (I know drag washers for it are cheap and easy to get, after I bought it, I went through it cleaned it up, and replaced the ones it came with).So I'm trying to come up with a way that this setup could possibly double as a heavy pier rod, and a decent throwing surf rod. The best I've gotten out my combo is 110yds with 20lb mono, 50lb shock, and 8oz weight. I just bought a BA Cannon to help out a little, (I hope). I just read a report from the Triple S that said a guy lost a 50 plus something off the end on a line break, and I thought, well, there is a way around that. So, am I completely out in left field, or is what I'm trying to do even realistic? It's no problem to return the line, I haven't even spooled it up yet. If you guys think 30lb braid is ample, I'd be real inclined to go along with that. I just bought a nice graphite medium weight spinnin rod for lures&pluggin and light to medium pier fishin (spanish-blues-panfish)and plan to put 20lb braid on that. Thanks, Kevin

[Capt. Kim CG Ret]

30# braid is more than enough for anything you are likely to run into. And if you get spooled, think of the story you can tell. I would not purchase two 125/150 yard spools but get one 300 yard spool. Put the full 300 yards of braid on first and load the spool to the height you want with 20-30# mono. Use whatever knot you feel confortable with. Reverse Albright would be my choice for this combination of lines. Go someplace where you can walk the line off the spool and keep it out of the dirt/sand. I use my pole to put the line in tree limbs. Attach the mono and start re-spooling. (If you have two spools to transfer the line to and a drill you could try this method, but I don't recommend it for spinners. The mono always gets twisted unless you spool from the reel with a stiff, thin wire through the middle and then you risk ruining the drag and the spool! Would work fine for conventional reels, but I am with DD and with all due respect for Jam's opinions, I am mono on conventionals and braid on spinners guy.)

[Jeepster]

Too cool. I guess this is the way for me to go. I was wondering how I could load my spool to the brim, and have a mono backer, but do it myself. This way you've described sounds like a winner to me. I'll return the 60lb, get a 300yd roll of 30 braid, and spool it like you said. Ought to work good. Thanks, Kevin

[Jeepster]

Found the reverse albright on SSF's site. Looks like a good, easy knot for what I want to do. Thanks, Kevin

[fishloser]

[QUOTE=Jeepster]Found the reverse albright on SSF's site. Looks like a good, easy knot for what I want to do. Thanks, Kevin[/QUOTE

As one of the posters said, braid is strong and small dia with no stretch, has it uses. Personally I have found braid use on piers to be a major handicap:

!. Mono will cut braid, therefore if your fish swims into other lines, kiss it good bye.

2. Braid is not very abrasion resistant, if fish wraps pier, your chances are much better with thicker Mono leader.

3. When joining mono to braid, always double braid otherwise mono will cut it when u pull knot tight.

4. Have found using 15 lb mono. with 50 lb braid shock leader on heaver to work fantastic with 8 oz weight.

5. 1000 yd spool 15 lb trilene big game is $8, 150 yd spool spiderwire $15. the 150 yd spool last me about 3 years as shock leader for 3 heavers. I put new leader on each trip (10-12 trips, 1-4 days each, a year)
Just thought i would put in my experience FYI.